Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1517 posts
Jul 30, 2007
9:12 AM
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In response to complaints, I am notifying the general membership that several people are in violation of the posting policy.
Please take the time to review the posting policy and abide by it or don't post. Modify your own posts if necessary.
This is a warning. Next time certain members can and will lose posting privileges.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1520 posts
Jul 30, 2007
10:23 AM
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To better serve the readership, I will be going through locked threads and deleting posts I deem to be violating posting policy.
Thank you for your patience in this matter.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Last Edited by on Jul 30, 2007 10:24 AM
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rollerpigeon1963
191 posts
Jul 30, 2007
12:31 PM
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Tony,
What do you see not allowed of these post you locked. Posting of names of fanciers not involved in forums, or Post which insult or make fun of others? Or could it be lack of respect? Or is it Defaming or slander against any individual or entity?
Just wanted to see which one was violated?
Thanks Brian
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1521 posts
Jul 30, 2007
12:56 PM
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Hey Brian, perhaps some or all the above. Hectoring me will get you booted. So keep it up.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1522 posts
Jul 30, 2007
1:21 PM
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Hey Brian, I will show you my integrity if others won't, if I so blatantly violated my posting policy which is what you are insinuating, even though I have locked the posts so I may review them, then I will pull down the All Roller Talk forum and maybe, just maybe an example will be set for others with possible integrity problems to follow my lead and do something good for the hobby. Good Work Brian!
All Roller Talk will cease to be a public forum tonight at 11:59 PM until the current NBRC president temporarily steps down from his NBRC duties.
People, it's been my pleasure.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Missouri-Flyer
777 posts
Jul 30, 2007
1:24 PM
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OUCH!!!!!!!!!!...hope I wasn't a major decision for ya Tony.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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rollerpigeon1963
192 posts
Jul 30, 2007
1:33 PM
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Tony,
I never mentioned any names or insinuated it was you. I was asking for direction! Now if you going to blame me for this? well...... Then you said good work? I tried looking for your phone number but I cant find it on this site. So I could call you and talk to you live. If you send me a private email with your number I will call you. That way you will know what exactly what I mean. Email me your number at rollerpigeon@roadrunner.com
Thanks
Hey Brian, I will show you my integrity if others won't, if I so blatantly violated my posting policy which is what you are insinuating, even though I have locked the posts so I may review them, then I will pull down the All Roller Talk forum and maybe, just maybe an example will be set for others with possible integrity problems to follow my lead and do something good for the hobby. Good Work Brian!
All Roller Talk will cease to be a public forum tonight at 11:59 PM until the current NBRC president temporarily steps down from his NBRC duties.
People, it's been my pleasure.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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splitter
14 posts
Jul 30, 2007
2:01 PM
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Tony sorry to hear about the roller talk, I get a lot of good info off it. I hope it will not be down long!
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W@yne
587 posts
Jul 30, 2007
2:18 PM
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Tony
Although you run an excellent site I don`t think shutting down the forum is gonna solve anything Think of the 99% of people who visit your site that do not get involved with the politics side of things on here. Why should they suffer from this?. Your posting polocys should be obeyed by the people who use your site but can you not just delete their posts and email them a warning to tell these guys where they are going wrong with postings on your site. Shutting the forum wont do any good for you or for the 99% the majority of people that view your site. jmho
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Oldfart
94 posts
Jul 30, 2007
2:37 PM
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Tony,
I hope you reconsider and leave the site up, but I also
understand to some degree why you feel as you do. Might I ask if you could leave the link to the store and archives
active? The archives were cleaned by the moderaters not long ago and should be harmless. Should I have a sick bird or just need information lost to oldtimers the archives are the first place I look! Newbee's and oldfarts alike would benifit from this consideration.
If the site goes down I'll be checking for it resurgency!
Thanks Thom
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pat66
11 posts
Jul 30, 2007
2:55 PM
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Good job Tony, Seems alot of things are getting off track lately! Pat66
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Skylineloft
78 posts
Jul 30, 2007
3:25 PM
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Just in case anyone needs another place to complain while Tony shuts down His forum. LMAO
http://www.topix.net/forum/who/martha-stewart
Thanks for keeping up with everything Tony.
Ray
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rollerman132
128 posts
Jul 30, 2007
4:37 PM
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I don't about that RAY, I heard that Martha was making BOP traps in a sweat shop some where in Cambodia,I guess were just shit out of luck LOL
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classicpony
269 posts
Jul 30, 2007
4:43 PM
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Tony,
I hate that it has come to this.......
Your Friend and Supporter
Jim Wilson
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Mongrel Lofts
310 posts
Jul 30, 2007
5:12 PM
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Hey Tony,
Don't shut the site down. Way to many good rollermen come to this site everyday. Its the last good place for roller men to gather on the net in my opinion. The others are full of cross breeding color breeders.. If I'm the reason for this, just boot me off and keep the site open. Would be much better for all the guys who come here.. KGB
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Mongrel Lofts
311 posts
Jul 30, 2007
5:36 PM
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Hey Tony,
I can tell you this much. This is exactly how the NBRC is ran. A couple guys in power Bark and threaten to quit,, then everyone pisses their pants and begs them to stay. They will do what ever they want or say, as long as they stay! How can we ever change a club from within or from the out side, if we crumble every time some guy moans a little? If we can't talk about what we think is wrong and right. Then whats the point? Lets just all be yes sir, what ever you say sir men and be happy! That is what we have had so far. Here are a couple idea's I had talking with Nick.. Just so we go out with a BANG and 11:59
Ken,
It is fine to transfer my asking you if you would accept a nomination. We need to change some direction or we are going to have groups spintering off of the NBRC.
I appreciate your responding to my email.
Respectfully,
Nick
Hi Nick,
My first instinct is that the powers that be, would never allow me into office. Not one that I could effect change from. That said, let me think this over a couple of days. I will write down the things I would like to change and why. If you don't mind, I will post your question at the top. They guys can inform me what office would be best suited for these ideas, or if they even agree with any of the ideas. You and I both will have an idea if my running for office would be a realistic venture?
I can tell you this. If I was in office, things would not be as they are. First, all NBRC business would be open to all members. No EC behind close doors doing and voting on things club members don't know about. All NBRC members would be able to read EC busness. Every issue voted on by the RD, would first be voted on by his region. After he had all his regions members votes acounted for, his vote would be that of the majority vote of his region. This could be done either by phone or e-mail. Contact with the members,, not as it is now,, You find out about the new rule and don't even know how your RD voted. All club issue's would be out in the open for all members of the NBRC. No one person on the top, is more important than average Joe member. Another thing, the Sec tres. and bulletin editor would not have a vote on the EC. They have RD's in their regions just like the rest of us. Their RD would get a majority vote from all their members and cast a vote for the Majority. Sec Tres and Bulletin editor shouldn't give you a life time vote on the EC! This are paid positions, they should get the same vote as any other member, No more.The way it is now, they have two votes in each of their regions. Not fair and they are life long paid jobs they have. To much power and that needs to change. So that's just a start of things I would like to have changed if I was in office.. Come to think of it,, I think I will post this now.. Just to see what it brings out.. Thanks for asking Nick.. Ken Billings
I will wait a couple minutes, make sure your not against my posting your question.. KGB
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motherlodelofts
1896 posts
Jul 30, 2007
5:52 PM
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Did I miss something ? what did I do now ?
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Dave Szab
90 posts
Jul 30, 2007
5:58 PM
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Kenny,
Just so you know, the Secretary/Treasurer is NOT a position for life, it is an elected position that is voted on every 2 years. Nobody ever runs against Bob Bergerren. Anyone can run for that position, BUT the President and VP are rotated around the country. In this year's election, the President must be out of the East and the VP must be out of the central part of the country.
Dave
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Mongrel Lofts
312 posts
Jul 30, 2007
6:13 PM
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Dave,
How many years has Bob and Bob held those positions.. Just so I know,, Seams to me like Bob B has been in every since Jim Peri Died. A life time, if no one ever runs agianst them and the office never changes hands. I still remember how they treated him. Do you? Anyway, how many years have Bob B and Bob S held these positions? I think we need term limits. I would rather get a one page hand written letter every 3 months than have guys stay in power so long, they get to own it! If you want a hand written letter every 3 months,, I'll take the post!LOL
I would love to see BMC in that position. Man with the photo's he takes and his tallent at writing!! What is it, about 4 grand for 6 issues a year? Maybe Tony, BMC or even Dave Gerhke would put 6 bulletins out a year for that kind of money. Maybe we could up it a bit just to make it worth doing! Term limits, now theres a Liberal idea!! LOL Just my opinion of course Dave. I'm just thinking out loud. I know I'm not the only one, but we must be a minority. The way things are going, we will be a silent minority soon enough.. KGB
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
1477 posts
Jul 30, 2007
6:24 PM
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Ken, I've been in the magazine publishing production side for nearly 20 years. I used to have to produce, as an editor, two monthly magazines and two quarterly magazines. One of the mags was pushing 250 pages. Now I have to publish content to our 26 different web sites which is like doing 26 magazines a month...lol...so effective immediately, you can remove my name from your wish list. I can tell you this, the people who "could" possibly handle the bulletin job might, and this is a stretch, might be able to be counted on one hand. I've been a bulletin editor for some other of my pigeon clubs and even with a bulletin that is less than 10 percent of what the NBRC "magazine" is, it is like pulling teeth to get enough content to fill it. I personally feel that the day we lose the two Bobs, we are going to have a very hard time finding people who can actually do the job. You will find some that will offer to do it, but that doesn't mean they can handle it. It is a grossly underpaid and underappreicated job.
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Mongrel Lofts
314 posts
Jul 30, 2007
6:39 PM
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BMC,
So what your saying is your highly qualified! You just need more money! Right now, we just get mostly Homer stuff, homer vet stuff, Earls list and a few new things.. Common, whats it gonna take, 3 dollars off the top of each membership? LOL KGB
PS. what about a team of editors.. Say split the thing up where 2 or 3 guys were sharing the load.. Would you do it for $4 bucks a member? LOL Just fishing BMC
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MILO
378 posts
Jul 30, 2007
6:52 PM
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Whats wrong with requesting members write articles to keep things fresh? Ya, ya, I know not everyone is comfortable with that...but I know a gazillion other guys that can write very well. They should share their experiences. It doesn't always have to be a fact based article... I know I would definitely enjoy reading about another mans routine Saturday morning fly, and how he handles his kits. Just a thought. But then we can keep recycling old stuff too...LOL
c
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coach
6 posts
Jul 30, 2007
6:55 PM
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wha,wha,wha, ive never seen so many cry babies before. this reminds me of the "this is my ball, so im going home" syndrom. if you dont want people speaking their mind, dont have a forum. guys there are other forums!
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MILO
379 posts
Jul 30, 2007
6:57 PM
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I used the word "request" but I meant "require."
c
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Otis
52 posts
Jul 30, 2007
7:35 PM
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Hi Tony, I remember oh, about a year ago, when you were considering folding up shop for various reasons but, you were persuaded by the guys on this list to change your mind. This list is the voice of reason in the wilderness the roller world finds itself in right now. Your shutting down to get the NBRC president , who is not on this list, to resign will fall on deaf ears and won't force what you wish to happen anytime soon. It's a great idea but it only hurts the ones who have come to rely on RPDC and support your business. Please reconsider and just tell us what you'd wish the members here to do to accomplish your wishes without shutting down the list. You'd be suprised what could be done if YOU just ask! Otis
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jammerlofts
105 posts
Jul 30, 2007
7:37 PM
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TONY
Hey bud, not that it means much coming from me, but think long and hard on this one. I decided to stick with raising my fancy breeds; no more rollers not that I did not enjoy them. I did, but I just prefer my fancy breeds. To get to the point, even though I don't have rollers anymore I would like to let you know that I visit your site faithfully everyday. Ihe way I see it your site is not just for rollers, I get some good info on here to do with many other things. I, like many many others enjoy coming home and look forward to reading all the new posts. I have not posted in a long time, but feel that I should right now. I know we got started off on the wrong foot, my doing lol, but just give it awhile things will come together. But if you decide to go forward with this I know you will have 99% of your visitors come back when you are ready to put it on again. I know I will miss coming here if you take it offline. Well Tony take care, I think you have done a great job and put in alot of hard work and countless hours.
JC
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1523 posts
Jul 30, 2007
8:52 PM
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Hello All, okay, I had quite a long conference call with Kenny H and Gregg S(who said he would come after me with a wood stick if I closed up ART), thankfully, they spoke the voice of reason and made me realize what a huge mistake I would be making if I closed down ART, especially now with the current NBRC situation.
During our conversation, Kenny said something that struck me personally when he said that RPDC is like a "club" with a membership already built in. I never looked at it that way. That made me feel more like I had a personal responsibility to continue the work(plus Greg's stick warning).
I want to apologize to each and everyone of the faithful and supportive site members and visitors to whom I created this stir, especially those who contacted me through email, a post or phone call.
It's no excuse but I guess I was not in a good frame of mind last few days(I have had a toothache the last several days and I know this has not helped my attitude very much).
Your support in this thread and Kenny and Greg's conference call has rallied my attitude and sense of purpose with All Roller Talk and the site. I hope you will find it in your hearts and minds to give me a pass on this.
BTW, I tried calling Brian tonight to clear this up but I guess he was already sleeping.
Brian, I apologize publicly for allowing our posts to get out of hand and coming at you so forcefully, my bad. It won't happen again.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Electric-man
455 posts
Jul 30, 2007
9:25 PM
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Thanks Tony, I was fearing that I was gonna have to start paying attention to my wife again instead of RPDC!LOL
Seriously, I couldn't believe you were putting a ultimatum of such uncertainty! You might of had to stay down awhile!
Anyways, thanks for changing your mind! I know I'm only known by a call name here, but to me, its kind of like being part of a family!
Brothers from other mothers!
Val
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Electric-man
456 posts
Jul 30, 2007
9:35 PM
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Coach, that attitude is not needed here! People have bad days, allow Tony one once in awhile! If this site isn't important to you, please keep it to yourself! JMO
Val
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Double R
51 posts
Jul 30, 2007
10:00 PM
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Tony,
I have a hammer and chisle, I can fix that toothache for you..LOL.. Not funny man I've been there! I even let my son knock 2 of mine out with a hammer and plastic chisle once upon a time...
Thanks for sticking around!!!!
YITS...Robby
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No-LimitR
64 posts
Jul 31, 2007
12:06 AM
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Thanks Tony, I don't post much but everymorning when i wake up I log on here. Then when I get home from schoo I log on here. I'll go to work and come back home and Log on. I appreciate your site and the info. I get from here. Tou
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spinner jim
132 posts
Jul 31, 2007
12:52 AM
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Tony ,keep up the good work,this site gives all of us a great many hours of pleasure and its all down to your hard work many thanks, on the topic of your toothache im sorry you have been suffering theres nothing worse, but consider this ??,my friend had a check up at the dentist recently and the dentist said his teeth were all in great condition but his gums would have to come out lol ,JIM UK.
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C.J.
1538 posts
Jul 31, 2007
4:45 AM
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Tony glad to hear that yo had a change of heart. Next time things get out of hand just ask Scott (motherload if his grandmother is busy. She will straighten things out in a hurry. LOL
C.J.
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wafer kits
32 posts
Jul 31, 2007
5:33 AM
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Tony......You da Man!!! I think Cliff is a dentist. Al
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Gregg
130 posts
Jul 31, 2007
7:23 AM
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Tony,
Thanks for keeping the ART up and running. I went straigth to bed after our little talk behind the wood shed. Have to get my body outside to fly some birds, walk again and enjoy these beautiful days. Haven't had a pain pill in two days and I have to keep moving so that this incision heals properly.
By the way, that stick is a well cured piece of hickory. At my age I feel I need the advantage.Smile.
KGB,
You have to be careful there, you are making a bit of sense. Especially the part about opening up the EC minutes for membership viewing. I personally like the idea that the NBRC post all minutes on the NBRC website for everyone to read. That would allow any and all(almost) to form an opinion and contact their RD reference that opinion. I am in complete agreement with you that the appearance now seems a bit secretive.
Where I do tip my hat is to the bulletin. But I am with you in that I would settle for much less from the bulletin for an open EC. Just understand that the majority of members do value their bulletin. It is the average fanciers link to the rest of the rollerworld, especially those that do no have a computer. We all have our agenda, but I always have to remind myself to stop and think about the average guy in the fancy and what serves him best. This is a great bulletin, you can't deny that. But the openness of the clubs business would be a huge counterweight to my agreement with BMC on the bulletin issue.
More later, gotta move this body.
Gregg.
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J_Star
1099 posts
Jul 31, 2007
8:33 AM
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Let’s say that the EC open up and nothing is done behind closed doors. What guarantee do you have that the average roller man won’t gripe anymore? We will still find something to gripe about. It is our nature. If any change needs to happen, it should be carefully considered by the majority and gradually implemented. The issues need to be put on the table, prioritized and executed according to a set time frame and priority.
You all make it sound like the NBRC is falling apart!!! What is the matter with you? Even if the NBRC is ripping slightly along the seams, then don’t pull it all the way through!! Let this dark cloud passes then let’s talk about appropriate changes. What I see is you guys are getting over your head with blah, blah, blah.
What we can do is pressure the candidates who are running for offices, to put the issues that they like to change based on majority consensus when elected for all to see and we will elect them based on the issues they present to us that will make a great enhancement to the club, by-laws, FF, bulletin and bureaucracy, not just a popularity contest. Just because so and so was or is a great flyer and a good friend of Joe blow doesn’t mean he can be a great club leader!!! That’s with all due respect….
Jay
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Ballrollers
833 posts
Jul 31, 2007
9:02 AM
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Tony,
Sounds like you're gonna need a root canal, my friend. Don't worry, they are no so bad. If you were a little closer, I'd fix you up for a pair of those Rubies!! LOL! (Call me if you have any questions about the diagnosis or your options.)
Cliff
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kcfirl
162 posts
Jul 31, 2007
9:14 AM
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Brian,
I agree with you 100% on your take on the impact of losing the volunteer work of the 2 Bobs. These guys do it month in and month out.
KGB - instead of suggesting 2 of the hardest working, unselfish guys in the club step down, why don't you submit some articles or call some of the guys in your area and get them to submit articles and or pictures for inclusion in the bulletin? That is, after all, the most straightforward way to improve the quality of the bulletin, correct?
Regards,
Ken Firl
Ken
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Richard
35 posts
Jul 31, 2007
9:51 AM
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How soon we forget.
Boy hope Bob and Bob don't read this chat list . If they do I vote ??? as the new editor.
How may remember what the nbrc was like before these two men volunteered to do the job. We never I say never had an accounting of the finance of the NBRC Yes Never. It was a one sided as to what was published in the bulletin. The club was so poor they had to take up a collection just to buy a computer to keep things going. . Hum what happened to the one we had. Where did all the money go that was taken in from the conventions, Bands and dues,donations etc. We made a lot of money at the conventions. The club was broke when Bob Bergerren took over. We never got a monthly accounting as to where the money went and if any was left. Now we DOOOOOOOO! For what it is worth Thanks Bob and Bob I appreciate you donation of your time and effort to keep the NBRC on track. Guys if they quit a very thank less job I vote for ????? those who drove them out.
My thinking and I won't get into P---- match with any one.Now I have said it and am done.
Richard
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pacos bill
5 posts
Jul 31, 2007
3:19 PM
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Tony this site is a great support to the fancy. Thank you Pacos Bill
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nicksiders
1981 posts
Jul 31, 2007
4:57 PM
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How about a new position in the NBRC....Sergeant-at-arms? Someone to travel and slap the shit out of people who step out of line?.....LOL
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Nick
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Gregg
131 posts
Jul 31, 2007
5:53 PM
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Nick,
What constitutes "stepping out of line?" From the EC's perspective, they may need a regiment. But some where in the last couple of hundred years of American history I seem to remember somebody writing and adopting the Bill of Rights of which the first amendment guarantees the freedom of speech.
Gregg.
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Mongrel Lofts
317 posts
Jul 31, 2007
6:02 PM
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Hey Ken Firl,
I'm really not asking that the two Bob's step down. I just don't think they should have a vote on the EC as they have to much power. They have been in office through 6 presidents. About 10 years. If you ever have a disagreement and the Bob's are on the other side, you will find out fast, as soon as they threaten to quit, you LOSE! I think they do a good job with the Bulletin but I think they should be separated from the power structure. They serve at the pleasure of the membership, not the other way around. So Ken, I don't want the Bob's to quit their job's and they are jobs as they get paid by the membership. I just want them separated from the power base and EC so the membership can be run by the members. I know this is not a popular point, but believe me, I'm not the only one thinks the Bob's need to be out of the EC.. KGB
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nicksiders
1983 posts
Jul 31, 2007
6:51 PM
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Geesh Gregg, I should have qualified my previous post with a "LOL" at the end of it. I have corrected it.....it was a joke....it really was.
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Nick
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Gregg
137 posts
Aug 01, 2007
5:08 AM
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Nick,
It'll take you a while to get to know me. That was sarcasm dripping with honey. I have a quite different sense of humor which many, not even my mother, quite understand. That's why I'm all tied up and absent from the list sometimes for two, three or four weeks.
Gregg.
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classicpony
271 posts
Aug 01, 2007
6:03 AM
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To ALL!!!
Some say I have a really dry humor or I might see humor where there is none. So I have to watch what I say, someone might take it wrong, even though it was never meant that way. I just hate it when someone takes something out of context, cause is always seems to sounds bad, but as I say.... its not meant that way sometimes I just think this is fun, but not at someones expense.
Jim
@thebirdhouse
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Gregg
139 posts
Aug 01, 2007
2:12 PM
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Jim, Nick,
If your gonna play then you have to be ready to get it back. You make a good point Jim that it shouldn't be at the expense of someone else, but sometimes they leave the door wide open. I'm guilty of it myself, open mouth, insert foot. But I really try not to maliciously go after some one else unless they have done same to me first. And as I get older I'd like to say I've gotten wiser and know when to just walk away, but I'd be lying if I said I was smart enough to do it everytime.
Gregg.
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classicpony
272 posts
Aug 01, 2007
3:36 PM
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Gregg,
That is why I don't post a lot. But I do read every post and like a big sponge, try to soak-in and retain all the info on this hobby. (An I thought nothing could be more simpler.)
I'm just as guilty as everyone else of having the ol foot in mouth at times. Sometimes I do get on a soapbox and crow about something, I think that what Nick does and does it well. :) Hi Nick! Picking on ya again. :)
Jim
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Gregg
141 posts
Aug 01, 2007
3:46 PM
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Yeah Jim, but Nick is a bit masochistic, he likes it.
Gregg.
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classicpony
276 posts
Aug 02, 2007
4:48 AM
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Gregg,
I like Nick just the way he is. He helps keep me on my toes. And his ideas keep me thinking and thats goood. I think?? :)
Jim
@thebirdhouse
PS: I have this female cardinal that has for 3 days now flew and hit the glass of my picture window just picking it making a noise.... I would guess seeing its self and trying to pick a fight???? It just won't quit hitting itself... 3 time or more per minute.
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