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Democracy In Action?
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J_Star
1107 posts
Aug 07, 2007
6:03 AM
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Tony,
I agree with you and I see your point.
Then how about going back and edit all the negative posts that were posted against Cliff Ball's integrity and others who did not agree on issues with other poeple on this site.
I know this is not going to happen. But the impression you are giving is that you sided with one side. You should have deleted Dave's response post to buzzard as well. Don't you think!!!
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1543 posts
Aug 07, 2007
6:27 AM
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Hey Jay, thanks for pointing that out. When I don't edit as I read a questionable post, I often try to get back to it later. Sometimes, things simply get by me.
As a partial solution to this, I created a link on the main All Roller Talk page to report questionable postings, if no one uses it, then what can I do?
Moderators are also allowed to edit posts and get posters to comply with the posting policy. Thanks for pointing that out though.
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motherlodelofts
1903 posts
Aug 07, 2007
7:49 AM
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I'll chime in , Dave has a very good reputation throughout the "entire" hobby , and yes I know who this buzzard is and there is a reason that he won't disclose his name and it is due to his "own" reputaion.
As for the W.C. , the fact is Dave stepped up only after "no" one else would take it.
I know this for fact because myself and Ken Firl passed on it after much consideration and there was no one else standing in line, and if I remember right he made it clear that it was only for one season.
Scott
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J_Star
1111 posts
Aug 07, 2007
10:29 AM
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I am sue Dave is...Everybody thus far said good things about him except for that incident. But I would like to remind every body that we sill judge a book by its cover and not by its content. Because of that it is best if we give a good impression about ourselves no matter what the situation is. Thanks.
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1545 posts
Aug 07, 2007
10:39 AM
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Well said Jay
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Dave Szab
99 posts
Aug 07, 2007
8:06 PM
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Jay,
I responded to each of your comments below:
(Dave,
To respond to your post to me, I would have handled it differently. There is always a politically correct way to handle things especially when a person is running for a high office.)
I never said I was running for the NBRC Presidency, I am not. As for being politically correct, I believe in telling it like it is, no BS.
(I believe that Buzzard questioned your integrity and not attacked you. What he said are the words of the people around you and that is what they are talking about behind you because, it appears to be, is that you have a clout in the WC and NBRC. I think they believe you are not fair and play favorites. They might have a legitimate concern or they may not. You have issues with the people in your region and I believe it is best to deal with them through dialog privately and resolve their and your concerns. That is my take...)
You are NOT in my region, and you have no idea as to what the truth is as to what has gone on in this region. You only think you do because of the gossip and innuendo that you have heard from someone, and it was one-sided. I'm not about to be pushed into discussing our region's business on this public site, it's none of your business and it was none of Buzzard's business.
(If a person wishes not to post his name, that is his choice and there is nowhere says that a person has to reveal himself to the world in the posting policy.
If a name means allot to you guys, then I will call myself ShitHead Smith and create an email address from yahoo for free and sign up to this site using the yahoo email address and a name of ShitHead. Then a person has a name and an email and he is in. Be serious guys.
Jay)
Using a fake name on this site is fine, unless you insult and attack someone else, then you better back it up with proof and your real name. Jay, how would you feel if I signed on under a fake name and started spreading lies and gossip about you?
Dave Szabatura (my REAL name)
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Dave Szab
100 posts
Aug 07, 2007
8:17 PM
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I am sue Dave is...Everybody thus far said good things about him except for that incident. But I would like to remind every body that we sill judge a book by its cover and not by its content. Because of that it is best if we give a good impression about ourselves no matter what the situation is. Thanks.
Jay
Hey Jay,
So, you have been defending Buzzard on this issue and you are implying that I was not giving a good impression on my response? You have no problem with the impression that Buzzard gave and you side with him? Well, I don't know you Jay, but you should worry about the impression you make, and not worry about mine so much.
Dave Szabatura
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motherlodelofts
1908 posts
Aug 07, 2007
8:41 PM
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Hey shithead (oh that one will stick LOL) , there really is no need to defend yourself, you are bumping heads with who ?
Scott
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nicksiders
2029 posts
Aug 07, 2007
10:53 PM
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Scotgt you are a piece of work(LMAO). Hey Dave, relax. You have a lot of friends in here; don't be so damn defensive. Ol' Buzzard punched a button, huh? We all got buttons.
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Nick
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J_Star
1114 posts
Aug 08, 2007
5:34 AM
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Dave,
I don’t know you, but heard good things about you, and I don’t know buzzard and I don’t know what gossip is going around. But I know what he wrote and how you responded aggressively with insults. If it is all lies, and giving you the doubt, then set the record straight. From my life experience, when someone come out aggressively defensive and swinging the way you have, means they are hiding something. So, let me push another button of yours (lol), which seems that your buttons are easily pushed, what are you hiding (lol)? Ops, I forgot. It is none of my business (lol). Chill dude…
Jay
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Dave Szab
101 posts
Aug 08, 2007
6:32 AM
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Jay,
When you volunteer your time and effort in leadership positions in this sport, and get picked at, picked at, and picked somemore by buzzards, after awhile you get sick of it and your tolerance wears thin. Take on those leadership roles for a few years Jay, and then get back to me on how you feel about it. There are many, many more good men than bad in this sport, but jealousy, back-stabbing, and trouble-making that a few thrive on, is a part of this sport that we don't need. We all need to end our toleration and support for these types of individuals. All it does is divide us, especially at a time when we all need to be united together if we want our hobby to survive and grow stronger.
Dave Szabatura
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Missouri-Flyer
789 posts
Aug 08, 2007
6:48 AM
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Yes Nick, they are one in the same (turkey buzzards)..Depends on what neck of the woods your from..LOL
As far as this thread goes, it is my opinion that those that hide behind a made up name deserve the same previliges on here as those that we know...at the same time, when they hide behind a computer name, they need to understand that when they post information about another fancier, especially if it is a negative post, that they will be called on for hiding behind a name.
I dont believe in coming into a PUBLIC forum and stating ANY information about ANYONE else UNLESS it is in GOOD taste!!!!! There are 2 types of internet junkies out there...Those that read,learn,visit,discuss out of the goodness of their heart, and those that go around starting %$#@ just to get a reaction..those type need to be tasered in the balls!!!!!...LMAO
Dave, I dont know ya personally, but I for one think that your a hell of a guy from what I have read about ya the past year or so.. I will thank you personally for stepping up to become a leader when no one else would..
signed..JERRY LEDFORD!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Aug 08, 2007 6:54 AM
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J_Star
1115 posts
Aug 08, 2007
7:09 AM
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Dave,
That is more like it and thanks for the reasonable response. I don't have to get a volunteer leadership role to know where you are coming from. I am in leadership role at my job and know how it is. But I also believe that it is our choice of how to handle the likes of buzzard. We can chose to show them that we are weak and our patience ran thin or we can show them that we are strong and capable of handling them and the likes of them and handle the leadership role and the job we are doing. Remember my friend that when you soar like an eagle, everybody wants to shoot you down, but when you fly like a pigeon everybody will leave you alone….except the BOP (lol).
(Moderated) In a leadership role, we need to be politically correct in everything we do and not say it the way it is as you mentioned in an earlier post. Politically correct way will get us far and very far…especially when we are dealing with all kind of people and personalities. It is our choice of how to handle things, but we will always be winners and on top when we handle things calmly and respectfully. Best of luck to you and hope I can meet you at the convention.
Jay
Last Edited by on Aug 08, 2007 7:56 AM
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Otis
59 posts
Aug 09, 2007
12:44 PM
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Tony, As I stated earlier in this string, Buzzard and his accomplishes are trying to avenge a personal vendetta as you've stated! Why have we not heard from Buzzard to clear up accusations about his integrity. Imagine trying to disgrace another rollerman because your birds and management skills just aren't good enough to beat your prime opponent in your region, then, to add insult to injury, mount a sneak attack on a public forum using an alias! Dave Szabatura deserves better! I'm done with this! Otis
Last Edited by on Aug 09, 2007 12:44 PM
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