kcfirl
168 posts
Aug 03, 2007
3:50 PM
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Hi guys,
I found this website about the Uhu, an eagle owl that eats Goshawks. They have a study done in Germany that shows the Goshawk population going down when Uhu's were reintroduced.
At the bottom of the page, they have some mpegs of Uhu sounds that are said to pretty good at detwerring hawk attacksin areas where the Uhu existed. Might be worth a try?
Interesting if nothing else.
http://www.albertaclassic.net/hawks/hawks.php
Ken Firl
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1530 posts
Aug 03, 2007
9:11 PM
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Hey Ken, this sounds like an idea that might be worth trying for those with a problem and if it is determined to be a legal method. To help decide if you can do this, I would contact your local Fish & Wildlife Service office.
Be responsible and comply with the MBTA.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Santandercol
1303 posts
Aug 03, 2007
9:43 PM
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I'll bet you they've never heard of it and won't have a clue.
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Kelly
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Ballrollers
839 posts
Aug 04, 2007
7:27 PM
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What a great project for the NBRC...the introduction of the Uhu to the US!!
Cliff
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Gregg
148 posts
Aug 05, 2007
5:23 AM
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Cliff,
Better idea, just get the Great Horned Owl the same type of preferred status that the perri's enjoy. Same results from what I have been reading and hearing. Then we wouldn't need a multi-millionaire to import the Eagle Owls. There is scientific thought that the Eagle Owls and the Great Horned Owls are very closely related and basically serve the same function on most raptors. I use to have a breeding pair within a mile of me and my problems were considerably less then, ie., I didn't have the resident problem. A couple of small subdivisions closer to the river have eliminated some of their prime habitat over the past ten years. That same high end growth has helped to keep the local bird populations higher. Most bird populations love the forest edged meadows and basically that is what is happening around me. Yet the ravines and steep hill sides keep just enough wooded area for nesting BOP's.
Gregg.
Last Edited by on Aug 05, 2007 5:24 AM
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kcfirl
170 posts
Aug 06, 2007
11:21 AM
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Heh, heh. The great horned owl is already on the same list as the Coopers - the MBTA.
Ken Firl
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J_Star
1112 posts
Aug 07, 2007
10:34 AM
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And pretty soon the new Uhu owel will band with the BOP and the rollers will have two to battle with!!! Once you are on the top food chain, you will always be.
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Velo99
1254 posts
Aug 09, 2007
3:09 PM
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Just a thought. Some of you might know about the pigeon whistles from China. I was wondering if the whistles were tuned to the tone of the owls call could or would it be a deterrant in the air to the BOP?
Question #2. Would it be legal,or does this fall under the harassment clause? Perhaps one of you ex-game wardens could shed a little light.
yits
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V99
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Velo99
1257 posts
Aug 09, 2007
5:13 PM
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Cool read
http://www.pigeoncote.com/natgeo/natgeo.html
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V99
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J_Star
1121 posts
Aug 10, 2007
5:59 AM
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I posted this in the past (about two years ago) but there was a resistance back then from the west cost people due to the dryness of the weather. Let’s try again after the issue with OHR and possibly will aid you as a deterrent against all hawks.
(moderated) There is a medium sized one that smokes when fired and makes a loud banging noise at about 75-100 yards up. This one works best for me. I use a car brake line about 3 feet long that I purchased from the parts store. It is the right opening diameter to stick the rocket stick into it for a superior aim. (moderated) But the birds regroup within minutes while the hawk goes on his way. (moderated) If you guys have a fireworks store in your area, go and ask the store manager about this kind of rockets and he will help you select the one you need that will meet your expectation. It is worth a try.
This way, you avoid any legal issues and you are not harassing a BOP and everybody happy.
Jay
Last Edited by on Aug 10, 2007 11:57 AM
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Norm_Knox
88 posts
Aug 10, 2007
9:35 AM
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You know that in most cities its illigal to shoot fireworks in city limits.
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J_Star
1122 posts
Aug 10, 2007
11:26 AM
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That is true when you have a fireworks display in front of your house or on the street. But firing one or two is not even noticeable.
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1553 posts
Aug 10, 2007
12:04 PM
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Jay, its my understanding that unless a permit is obtained, one cannot use fireworks to harass a bop to get him to leave an area. Also, please don't advise others to do something that may violate someones local zoning laws (shooting fireworks).
Be very conscious of what you advise others to do that violates the MBTA. Always err on the side of caution.
To All, please read and be aware of the ramifications of violating the MBTA. Please do not trap, kill or harass a bop protected by the MBTA.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Last Edited by on Aug 10, 2007 12:07 PM
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nicksiders
2043 posts
Aug 11, 2007
10:12 AM
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Kenny,
The National Geographic article was really good and those color plates where fantastic. I think National Geographic ought to do another spread on the pigeon.
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Nick
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Santandercol
1331 posts
Aug 11, 2007
4:15 PM
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Nick,
Shall we start a letter writing campaign to National Geo on that note?Let's go for it I'm in.If 20 people wrote to them maybe we could make it happen.The squeaky wheel!!!
Hey Kenny,
Thanks for the link,eh.
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Kelly
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nicksiders
2046 posts
Aug 11, 2007
7:22 PM
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Kenny,
I am game; in fact I think I'm going to put one together this weekend and reference this article and inform them how it has grown with timw.
P.S. I have emailed a letter tonight (Saturday 8/11). Each should put in thier own words a request for them to run another article.
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Nick
Last Edited by on Aug 11, 2007 10:11 PM
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Santandercol
1334 posts
Aug 12, 2007
6:42 AM
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Now this could be something real positive for our hobby.
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Kelly
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Velo99
1259 posts
Aug 12, 2007
9:59 AM
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Way to take the ball and run guys. Of course Nick has a long history of that.
Go Cowboys!!
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V99
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DeepSpinLofts
437 posts
Mar 26, 2008
3:10 AM
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I say introduce those Eagle Owls that like to eat Goshawks into California (especially sunny Southern Calif.)
Hmmm.....
It appears that BOP like to migrate and hunt in the Southern California region because this geographical area has the most Roller Pigeon flyers in the world.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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ezeedad
415 posts
Mar 26, 2008
4:04 PM
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This must have been the same article that I just posted about a few days ago.. And the Information is pretty good here.. But for sure the Great Horned Owls are closely related to the European Eagle Owls, and both of them will kill hawks and will tend to keep them out of the area they occupy. If you want some to stick around you can build a nest or two. They like to take over large hawk nests..
GREAT HORNED OWL
EAGLE OWL
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2008 4:07 PM
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