Safire
41 posts
Sep 06, 2007
1:04 PM
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Hi guys and gals,
I am not trying to be funny, but is it possible to breed a blue mottle or tiger grizzled? If so, i would love to see a picture of one?
George
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Skylineloft
133 posts
Sep 07, 2007
1:40 PM
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George,
Do you mean a black mottle like this bird ?
Ray
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nicksiders
2139 posts
Sep 07, 2007
2:06 PM
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Ray,
I got one of those too. He is ten years old.
George,
As far as the matting; don't worry about color and spread. If they both meet your criteria for stock then breed them, what the hell can be bad about that?
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2007 2:06 PM
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Alan Bliven
368 posts
Sep 07, 2007
3:13 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Tiger Grizzle/Mottle is a dominate mutation and you need one to breed another one. Once you have one, if you breed it to a self, you will get good Tiger Grizzle/Mottle markings.
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Alan
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DeepSpinLofts
150 posts
Sep 07, 2007
5:38 PM
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Oooohhhh... I like that one! White tips on a black mottle.
=====> Sweeeet Ray.
Not a color guy here (performance only).... but gotta give you the thumbs up on that specimen in the photo. Looks like a bird that's loaded with the goods.
I have mottles, but they have dark wing tips. So do my torts. Roll is there and plenty of it, but the color is drab.
QUESTION: What family is that bird derived from?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2007 5:39 PM
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joelbanc
21 posts
Sep 07, 2007
5:43 PM
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Hey Guys, Its been a realy long time since I've been on the talk forum but this subject has me intriqued.
Also have a simular looking bird as posted that has one of those new age names called "Pepper Head".(careful now)
I am wondering if anyone else has heard of this name referal?
joel
Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2007 5:52 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
151 posts
Sep 07, 2007
6:15 PM
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I have pepper heads. My mottles come from breeding pepper heads to checks.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Skylineloft
135 posts
Sep 07, 2007
6:28 PM
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Joel,
Nice to see you here.
Im new to the list.
I have three black pepprheads in my #1 kit right now.
One black mottle. They are all doing well.
I will try to post a photo of one of the pepperheads later.
Marcus,
The black mottle was bred by Johnny Smith.
Ray
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Mongrel Lofts
349 posts
Sep 07, 2007
9:15 PM
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Hey Ray,
This is not the best picture but this is young bird off the Hiene Bijker imports Rick Schoening imported.. I hope he turns out as nice as the one you posted. I don't think so though.. Unless things change, this one is going to be double bull eyed? OUCH! LOL KGB
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Alan Bliven
369 posts
Sep 07, 2007
9:55 PM
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I believe pepper heads are black grizzles which is different than the mottle seen in the first photo. Grizzles have white and color on many of the individual feathers, whereas each one of the feathers of a Mottle are either colored or white. Tiger grizzle and Mottle are the same thing.
KGB's photo looks to me like a Grizzle with Pied. The Pied causes the bull eyes. It might even be a Pied Tort is it has some Bronze in the wing shield.
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Alan
Last Edited by on Sep 07, 2007 9:59 PM
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Velo99
1296 posts
Sep 08, 2007
9:59 AM
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This is definitely a tort. Three colors expressed in one feather.
Some call them grizzles. I for one am still confused on the issue. I tend to call the dark background birds tort and the lighter ones griz.
Griz?
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V99
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Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2007 10:03 AM
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DUCKS N ROLLERS
43 posts
Sep 08, 2007
1:53 PM
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Ray,
you have some great looking birds sir !
i really liked seeing the before and after pics of the young bird.
thanks for sharing these photos.
mike.
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Ballrollers
877 posts
Sep 08, 2007
8:52 PM
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I think what George is asking is whether or not a bird can be produced with the mottled appearance of that nice black mottle (tiger grizzle), but with the blue that we see in a standard blue bar's wing shield, replacing the black.....a blue mottle; a blue grizzle, but a blue tiger grizzle...blue mottling, not grizzling. Correct George? And I don't think I have ever seen one....though technically it should be possible. BMC? Dave Strait? Gregg Sale? You guys are the wizards with this stuff!!!
YITS,
Cliff
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bob prisco
3 posts
Sep 09, 2007
3:09 PM
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Here are some of Charlie Hubbs' mottle/whiteside performing rollers.
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Last Edited by on Sep 09, 2007 3:14 PM
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nicksiders
2147 posts
Sep 09, 2007
7:17 PM
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Charlie Hubbs - one of those great guys that I wish I could be more like. RIP, Charlie.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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Safire
42 posts
Sep 09, 2007
9:08 PM
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Nice photos guys. Well, lets say that if someone had a barless(blue) roller. If you breed that bird with a rec. red mottle, is it possible to get offsprings that are I guess you would call it blue mottle? I hope this help alittle to clear thing up.
George
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gotspin7
118 posts
Sep 10, 2007
4:49 AM
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Skyline, you have some real nice ones! do you have any more to share?
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Skylineloft
141 posts
Sep 10, 2007
1:35 PM
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Sal,
I will try to take a couple photos this week and post them on a new thread.
Ray
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807 posts
Sep 26, 2008
8:46 PM
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skylineloft
that a nice looking bird...
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EVILLOFT'S
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