Velo99
1312 posts
Oct 03, 2007
5:18 AM
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Guys,
I bought a sack of really nice clean barley the other day. I have been doing a little research of its nutritional values. From what I gather it can be used as a primary seed or a supplement to lower the protein a bit as it is around 10% protein in contrast to the 12-14 on wheat.
I know it has different nutrients that wheat. I am wondering what its effects are on a kit n general.
ty
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V99
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Santandercol
1429 posts
Oct 03, 2007
6:27 AM
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Howsitgoin Kenny?I've fed barley with some success to bring my birds to fly lower but have heard from someone else that it makes theirs fly higher.
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Kelly
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W@yne
675 posts
Oct 03, 2007
10:43 AM
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Hello Kenny
I have never used barley but always thought it made the kit fly lower also.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Oct 03, 2007 10:46 AM
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nicksiders
2244 posts
Oct 03, 2007
1:39 PM
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Barley has lots of carbs. Some flyers use it as a replacement for corn.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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Norm_Knox
100 posts
Oct 03, 2007
6:34 PM
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What Nick said >>> LOL
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birdman
383 posts
Oct 03, 2007
7:18 PM
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I tried it once with the hope of getting a particular fast flying group of birds to slow down. They wouldn't even eat it. I haven't used it since.
Russ
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nicksiders
2247 posts
Oct 03, 2007
7:22 PM
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Russ,
What did you end up using that worked in getting them to slow down? I have a problem with my youngsters right now. BOP has them spooked, so they are racing constantly and I have tried cutting back on thier ration of wheat to no avail. Going to wheat?milo soon.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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Santandercol
1432 posts
Oct 03, 2007
7:28 PM
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They have to be hungry to eat it,allright.I have used the clipped barley.The other stuff is to sharp for their crop and the other other stuff is to damn expensive.
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Kelly
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birdman
384 posts
Oct 03, 2007
8:12 PM
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Nick,
I used straight milo for about 5-6 days.
Russ
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tapp
346 posts
Oct 03, 2007
10:22 PM
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I have also heard guys say they feed it to keep the cocks from being to cocky in the kit box. I also heard they use it like corn as Nick said.
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Tapp
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tapp
347 posts
Oct 03, 2007
10:33 PM
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Russ, You gave young birds Milo straight for 5-6 days.How young is young. and how did they roll after 5-6 days of straight milo. My young kits fly fast alot when young. then start slowing down. It seems like that would be like starving them, and then they don't have enough strenth to fly fast. Or roll with much control. Just wondering as I haven't ever tryed it.
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Tapp
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birdman
386 posts
Oct 04, 2007
5:57 AM
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Tapp,
The birds were probably 7-8 months old, maybe a little bit older. After that I fed them mixed 50/50 milo and wheat boosted with occasional peas and they were much better. On straight milo the roll was a bit sloppy.
Russ
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J_Star
1188 posts
Oct 04, 2007
6:25 AM
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Nick,
That is sound advice that was given. However, if all fails, the way I do it and it works best and fast for me is to mix my young birds kit with old birds kit and make two kits made up of young and old. Fly them for a few days and you put the breaks on those young birds. Once, they slow down, I switch them back.
Respectfully to all the advice was given, this time of year I wouldn’t want to break down my young birds to slow them down. Rather, I want them to maintain their energy to shit and get when BOP in chase.
Also, to get my young birds to kit early, I add couple of the strong young flyers with the older kit for a few days and they will kit early. Keep adding couple as they become good flyers at a time for 8 maximum. Then I will remove them and put them back with the young kit to lead the way. It works well for me every time.
Jay
Last Edited by on Oct 04, 2007 10:49 AM
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tapp
348 posts
Oct 04, 2007
2:51 PM
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Thanks Russ.
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Tapp
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birdman
388 posts
Oct 05, 2007
10:22 AM
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Tapp, you're welcome. Keep in mind that's what worked for MY birds. Good Luck!
Russ
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birdman
389 posts
Oct 05, 2007
10:55 AM
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Nick,
If you're flying the same family of birds that we've discussed in the past, I've still got a few key birds from that family and unfortunately fast flying and high flying is common, at least in the ones I have.
For the most part I've moved away from that group in favor of birds that fly lower, slower, and roll their butts off without requiring as much heavy handed feed control.
This morning I flew my 6 month old birds and they ripped better than any young kit I have flown in several years. I had them on mix up until a week ago and switched them to red wheat and had them on a three day system. The only negative, if you can call it that, is that they weren't going much deeper than 15' average. But they are still young!! The depth will come!
They flew from 250-400' the whole time, butterfly slow wing action,broke in BIG groups, and just ripped the sky apart for 30 minutes. At least 5 birds had very good velocity. I had one outbird that just couldn't get with the program and will be removing that bird when I get home from work. It has definitely been worth going to work late this morning!!
Sorry, I got a little sidetracked. I hope you find a way to slow those birds down.
Later,
Russ
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nicksiders
2252 posts
Oct 05, 2007
2:58 PM
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Russ,
That is why I don't hand any birds over to beginners with this family (or people that don't have a whole lot of time and patients). I will say that once I have them tuned they are good and fun to watch......but, damn they can be agravating. They are very fragile with changes and you got to fly them a lot more than most families. They are always on the edge. I keep threatning to change families; BUT...............to what family?
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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spinner jim
163 posts
Oct 05, 2007
3:32 PM
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Nick,i dont feed barley to my birds at all,they dont like it and struggle to swallow it if i do give it to them ?,it seems to irritate their throat and i have known some of them to throw it back up, JIM uk.
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nicksiders
2254 posts
Oct 05, 2007
5:58 PM
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I don't feed barley either for those same reasons. I am sure any bird will eat it if they get hungry enough. But, the crawl comfort it not there. I also don't feed corn; especially cracked corn.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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