classicpony
418 posts
Oct 12, 2007
6:35 PM
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I had a bird in my A team that caught my eye, for it was not keeping up with the kit very well, the bird seemed to be doing a triple roll then tried to catch up with the kit.
They all of a sudden it would do a roll that would last 2 to 3 seconds or more! What a bird! This bird would do this almost none stop! He was putting on a clinic. He was so entertaining. He never did catch up with the kit. Finally after about 15 minutes he flew off into a dead tree and sat there watching the kit for another 10 minutes The kit came in, then he flew down to came in too.
Do I overlook the bad habit? Setting in a tree.
Do I cull him before he has more doing it??
I just culled several that was doing just that.
I just have never seen a bird start with 3 rolls to warm up with and then bring on the good stuff almost none stop.
Jim
Illinois
@thebirdhouse
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silentroll
137 posts
Oct 12, 2007
6:37 PM
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I would say give it some time...
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crystalpalace
120 posts
Oct 12, 2007
7:05 PM
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What pair or pairs are producing those problem birds? You have to find out fast as possible or youll never fly a good competition kit. Total management and obtaining good stock is essential in breeding good stock and flying great kits. Good luck. Ray
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tapp
377 posts
Oct 12, 2007
7:10 PM
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Chump!
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Tapp
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1712 posts
Oct 12, 2007
7:11 PM
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Hey Jim, I would give the bird more time. Especially if just coming into the roll. He may still be working things out and it is not that uncommon for a bird starting to go deep to freak itself out.
Sometimes resting a bird a couple days allows him to gather himself. Make sure he is getting a little more than a tablespoon of feed.
If he still keeps landing in the tree, he is too unstable and the roll has control of him. Bird would be useless as he might very well pass it on to more young birds and you have a bigger problem to deal with.
Also, when a young bird gets into the deeper rolling, flying with the kit can upset the bird for awhile until it has gotten a handle on things.
So sounds to me based on what you have said, and if the bird is on the young side and perhaps is finishing the molt, it is too early to tell for sure if the bird is useless.
Keep us posted...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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fhtfire
1124 posts
Oct 12, 2007
11:29 PM
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What Tony said!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Shaun
540 posts
Oct 13, 2007
4:26 AM
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I would say that so long as the bird concerned isn't disrupting the kit or, worse still, making some of them land also, then give it more time. I had one which was superb to watch, but it invariably flew solo and landed early, totally knackered. It never got any better and after a few weeks it had to be culled.
Shaun
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gotspin7
236 posts
Oct 13, 2007
5:03 AM
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Classic, if the bird is in the molt or finishing up the molt I would give it sometime, and if the bird is just coming into the roll I would put him in a less active kit sometimes they just need to get their barrings straight, have you checked the bird? is it light? and if so I would recomend you feed it up!Good Luck!
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classicpony
421 posts
Oct 13, 2007
8:32 PM
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WOW some are great ideas, I will have to fine out which bird it is. I will give it a few more weeks to see how it does, then make my decide what to do.... Champ or Chump it.
Jim
Illinois
I'll try to keep you all up on it.
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J_Star
1201 posts
Oct 13, 2007
8:40 PM
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He will grow out of it. Give him some rich feed for a week and you will see a great improvements. It will take him a couple of weeks but he will be ok.
Jay
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classicpony
424 posts
Oct 14, 2007
1:24 PM
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Today he flew to the tree immediately and set there while the kit flew, he just sat an watched the kit and me the whole time. When all the birds landed on the kit box he flew down and mixed in with the rest of the birds on the kitbox roof. He would have been the last one to trap, just setting on the roof, refusing to trap. HE GOT CHUMPED. I got the band back, for the next squib-ster. And a bad mark against the parents.
Jim
Illinois
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1715 posts
Oct 14, 2007
3:19 PM
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Hey Jim, you pulled the trigger too soon. Should have let the bird rest and followed some suggestions. Based on what you first said on the 12th and the input given thereafter, you culled the bird on the 14th??
I think your emotions had something to do with the quick trigger pull? Poor bird...LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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classicpony
426 posts
Oct 14, 2007
6:00 PM
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Hi Tony! I hate having to cull, but this is not the first time this bird has been setting in that tree. I now have seen his brother or sister doing this same thing too. I'm finally at the point for the first time that I can stop bad habits and tracking it down to the parents, so I can split them ASAP. I have seen first hand that letting a bird get away with a bad habit infects other birds to join in.
Jim
Illinois
@thebirdhouse
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tapp
388 posts
Oct 14, 2007
6:57 PM
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Ok list what do you think. Even if you put this bird away did all the stuff suggested. And some how he ended up ok. All you have is a kit bird at best. You wouldn't want to breed out of the bird? I know I wouldn't.But we all can use good kit birds. Because you'll never fly the best kit if they are all locked up in the breeders loft. Breed alot and cull hard! I know, and use some common sense! I would have done what Jim did. There will be lots better one's in the near future. JMMO Ps, Theses kind of decisions get eaiser after you get started. And have more birds to work with.
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Tapp
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1716 posts
Oct 14, 2007
7:14 PM
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Hey Tapp, with the additional information about its siblings landing in the tree, the decision to cull becomes an easy one to make. Plus Jim did not indicate that this bird was setting in the tree before. It came across to me like this bird just started doing it.
Jim, I too would break up this pair, I would be on the watch to see if either one of these has youngsters with another bird do the same thing. If so, I would cull that adult. If this adult was a good spinner to start with and it could help complete numbers in a kit, I would fly it knowing that it would never go back into the breeding loft, but just if I needed the numbers to make up a kit.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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classicpony
431 posts
Oct 15, 2007
5:13 PM
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Ooops! Darn, I forgot to say this bird had been doing that, also chumped another one that was doing the same thing. Today went a lot better, they all kited, and came in together. I'm looking now at my loft and who is going and who is staying or just splitting up.
Jim
Illinois
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