Skylineloft
233 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:02 PM
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Huh?????
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Electric-man
711 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:03 PM
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Uh oh!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1723 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:08 PM
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creeeeeeek.....the door is opening.....RUN I TELL YOU! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! (please note, I did not start this post to generate more traffic or more sales, I did not start this post at all)
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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sleepy1.don
22 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:29 PM
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Birds that look diffrent with your sun glasses on. remember there is only three color in the pigeon family.brown blue and ashred. everything eles is a modifier. I guess brown would be rare. I have a few. keepem spinin Don
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nicksiders
2310 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:30 PM
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A rare color is any Birmingham Roller who spins fast and deep with great style. It is either ash red; blue; or brown or a combination of same. It is often marked with white. There are no other "rare" colors; stop your search and save yourself some headaches and money.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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rollerman132
134 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:34 PM
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I’m trying to run but I can’t feel my legs. Some one help me pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1727 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:39 PM
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heheheheheheh
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
10 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:46 PM
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If it rolls like a roller,looks like a roller,smells like a roller,must be a roller,may not be a Bermingham but its a plain Roller.
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Hector Coya
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Double R
129 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:49 PM
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Deadendkid,
Why are you looking for rare color rollers? Are you interested in color or performance? With Birmingham Rollers performance should be our number one goal.
Robby
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sleepy1.don
23 posts
Oct 16, 2007
2:52 PM
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deadend kid I'll give you some real answer to this one. spread,grizzel,whiteside,almond,indigo,opal.dilute, reduced and recessive red. all these hve been in the roller makeup from the begining.
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sleepy1.don
24 posts
Oct 16, 2007
3:07 PM
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yea thats about it. I gave my input now i think I'll shutup Keepem spinin Don
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Velo99
1341 posts
Oct 16, 2007
5:14 PM
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Dead,
Bro,cuz and new guy. If you just breed, you will get all of the colors you can possibly want.Each breeder,not pair each bird,CAN carry up to three colors and numerous variations and factors of the combinations of the colors it carries.
One pair can easily breed 8-9 different colors,factors and/or variations. Why try to limit your self to one particular trait of color when you can have the whole pallette?
The real reason we breed rollers is for performance. SHHHH don`t tell anyone.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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Electric-man
713 posts
Oct 16, 2007
6:50 PM
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Deadendkid, I won't be good at explaining this, but here goes! These "rare" color birds you are asking about, most likely have been cross-bred with another breed to get these "rare" colors! After you get the color, they breed it back for the roll. Some, if bred right, can be excellant rollers, but they are not "purebred"! You look for what you want to look at in your loft, you pay the feed bill! You will find good color birds! I would say, the majority of guys here, believe you are ruining the breed by crossing other breeds in just for color. Its been an ongoing debate since "rare" color birds showed up in this hobby, whether it is right or wrong, I guess only you can decide!Some seriously, hard feelings have been raised during these debates!
None of these comments were directed to you! Please don't take them that way! We just usually don't speak of color to much here just to keep these heated debates from starting, and a "civil war" getting started, you might say!
There are some color guys here and you will probably get your answer, but you might get a little sh^% too, so be thick skinned and hang in there! If you can get one of them to answer, maybe go to a personal email would be best! Its up to you!
Hope this makes a little sense, and hope I didn't screw this explanation up too bad!
I will keep what I believe, to myself!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Oct 16, 2007 6:52 PM
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Santandercol
1512 posts
Oct 16, 2007
7:05 PM
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Sure we talk about colour here,all the time,,,,,don't give him that line Val.I don't remember anyone ever being booted for talking colour.The reasons for talking colour is to to straighten newbies out and explain why NOT to breed for colour.
If you want fancy colours,get some other breeds.There are all kinds of cool breeds to have with beautiful colours.With Rollers it is best to breed for performance.Period.----------
Kelly
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Ballrollers
908 posts
Oct 16, 2007
7:20 PM
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Kid,
But of course, one can have both....
Cliff
Last Edited by on Oct 16, 2007 7:21 PM
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Electric-man
714 posts
Oct 16, 2007
7:23 PM
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Kelly,where did I say anyone ever got booted for talking color? You do like to stir the sh%^!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Oct 16, 2007 7:37 PM
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fhtfire
1135 posts
Oct 16, 2007
7:36 PM
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Breed for Depth, Quality, Speed, Frequency and Control...REGARDLESS OF COLOR and you will do just fine!!
I am not a color breeder but I did have a couple of andalusians that I would put up against ANY birmingham roller.
Some are Purist and some are not...if you believe in PURE breds then that is your choice....just like me...I would NEVER buy a lab that was not pure.....but that is just me...no reason either...just makes me feel good...LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Oct 16, 2007 7:37 PM
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sleepy1.don
25 posts
Oct 16, 2007
8:47 PM
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Hey deadheadkid if you want you could Email me. I would love to talk color. I know a few breeders across the us that are in to that thing. rolldowwn5@msn.com feel free Keepem spinin Don
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Santandercol
1515 posts
Oct 16, 2007
8:58 PM
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Sorry Val,only the 1st sentence of my last post was directed at you.I'm not trying to stir shit I'm trying to point out that colour is talked about on this site.
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Kelly
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1736 posts
Oct 16, 2007
9:04 PM
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For the record, I don't mind colors and color breeding being discussed on this site, but just do so with the knowledge that others will hold an opinion that will disagree with yours.
Rather than run away like some brave souls have, hold your position and fight for the opportunity to present your opinions and views and do so in a respectful and friendly way.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Santandercol
1517 posts
Oct 16, 2007
9:27 PM
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Deadendkid,
Back to your original question which I reread ALL of it and it's clear you asked what are considered rare coloured birds!You never even mentioned Rollers.Hunh.Imagine that and here we were getting off on some other friggin tangent.
Anyways,,,,,why don't you Google search Middle Eastern Pigeon Breeds and see what you come up with.Swallow pigeons come in nice colours.Lebanons,Kelebeks,Shaksharli,Donek,Catalonians,the breeds are many and come in many different colours.
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Kelly
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Santandercol
1518 posts
Oct 16, 2007
9:30 PM
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Ed.B
Jeez,after seeing that maybe I'll have to build another loft for all the whites I dye.Check my website
www.islanddoves.com
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Kelly
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gotspin7
268 posts
Oct 17, 2007
4:59 AM
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lol
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1744 posts
Oct 17, 2007
5:36 PM
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I am sure you will do just fine. Go with what moves you kid.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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nicksiders
2331 posts
Oct 17, 2007
5:46 PM
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Deadend,
Sigh........you can disrespect the breed all you want to. You pay the feed bill so breed anything you want into the Birminghams, but don't call'em Birminghams; cause they ain't. I guess you can call them rollers if they roll.
(Moderated) Nick, I got more respect for you than you will ever have for me, and I know moderating you puts me down your list even more, but that comment can't stay up! I'm sorry!
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
Last Edited by on Oct 17, 2007 6:13 PM
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RO
84 posts
Oct 17, 2007
5:48 PM
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Calm down Nick,,,lol.
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Electric-man
716 posts
Oct 17, 2007
5:59 PM
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Your burning bridges kid!!! Careful!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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classicpony
443 posts
Oct 17, 2007
7:30 PM
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DeadEndKid,
If you find a all PURPLE roller, all GREEN, all Orange roll, let me know, those are rare, almost as rare as hens teeth. If found let me know, I'm still missing mine an still looking for them. If found fly them hard!!
:)
Jim
Illinois
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Steve_uk
236 posts
Oct 18, 2007
10:10 AM
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Kenny Billings is the man for colour rollers give him a shout.
Steve0...
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silentroll
147 posts
Oct 18, 2007
11:00 AM
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I think he is just testing you guys...
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J T
31 posts
Oct 18, 2007
1:31 PM
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Birds that came from diffreant area's, worlds apart,
mated for the roll. Explain Purebred or show us one?
How many are Pure bred Americans?
JT
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Velo99
1348 posts
Oct 18, 2007
6:23 PM
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Paul,
Andy isn`t a color,its a factor of black. It`s a roller color and don`t let em tell you otherwise. I have a few andy`s that are really nice birds and one produces in kind. I am getting the kite over the andy off the Lavin and it is a cool looking bird. Looks fast, like it has a flamejob. Has the slick hard feather and deep keel from the lavin and the wider shoulders from the cheney. Feels like a softball. Rudy has one thats a straight andy. He said it rolls so hard it lands early. When it was developing it was an easy 20 25 feet.H and A pattern.
I have a lot of dark birds and saw a lot of interesting factors from them this year.
reduced self,andy,kite,check,bar,reduced bar,self,t pattern,baldie,griz,splash,tort and stork griz.
I got these patterns from black self on andy. t pattern black self on red check griz, and blue check on red mottle. Not to include a ton of red w/f/t`s and red checkers with barred tails and several patterns of griz.
With all of these birds in this array of colors why breed for anything specific. I am trying to assimilate the patterns and colors from my pairs that will red flag a bird as a potential "good" bird. I think it is an impossible task. There are way too many underlying mixes possible in the gene pool.
I like the swirls of colors as they fly low overhead, wings cutting the air in an irregular rythym as they pass. Butterfly wings on the cloudy heights.Looking up into a chorus of color singing the joy of flight.
ps I breed for performance based on the previous years performance/offspring
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Oct 18, 2007 6:41 PM
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classicpony
456 posts
Oct 18, 2007
6:29 PM
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DeadNkid,
You'll find most roller men here are not into colors, just the roll and only the roll. The roll is everything here.
Jim
Illinois
@thebirdhouse
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birdman
404 posts
Oct 18, 2007
6:43 PM
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Velo, the bronzing, reddish hues, and andalusian color in your birds are from the Indigo gene. I've got an Andy hen from BMC and have experienced the same thing.
Russ
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nicksiders
2341 posts
Oct 18, 2007
7:46 PM
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Indigo is black; andalusion is black; mahogany is red; and puce is baby poop greenish yellow, kind of. Lavender is blue; silver is blue; and grey is blue. Selfs are selfs; bars are bars; checks are checks; and everything else is a grizzle.
It just wares me out how we try to name a shade of a color a name different that the actual color it is; like it actually means something or even makes a difference.
What color is bronze? Is it a dilutted form of red? Pong Ping, Ping Pong, Gnop Gnip, Gnip Gnop.
I had better take my meds.
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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Mongrel Lofts
399 posts
Oct 18, 2007
10:22 PM
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Steve UK,
Asked my opinion on rare colored rollers, knowing I would tell the truff! I don't want the kid to miss understand where I stand. It would be better to suck on an old mans Hemorrhoid than to have one of them Mongrel bred colored birds in your stock loft. Drowning in a drunkards puke, is like winning the lotto compared to owning a toy stencil. I hope I haven't left any doubt on my de stain for cross bred rollers on other breeds for pretty feathers.. Just my personal opinion of course.. KGB
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Ballrollers
909 posts
Oct 19, 2007
6:54 AM
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Kenny, Kid,
Just for the record, Andalusian is actually a factor of Indigo...Spread Indigo....a spread ash red bird on an Indigo bird will produce it just as well as black and Indigo....just for the record.
YITS,
Cliff
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Ballrollers
910 posts
Oct 19, 2007
10:01 AM
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Hey, Kenny!
Apparrently there are many who disagree with you on that. At the convention, after watching these Andalusians spinning in the air 30-40 feet with speed and quality, the bidding was fierce in the auction. They sold for $125-$200, including a cock that I pulled from my stock loft. If one is really serious about performance, color doesn't matter. If one is really serious about a "pure-bred" (if there is such a thing) agenda, then color does matter. I prefer performance. I don't care what color it is. And I believe that "pure-bred" is a figment of the imagination when it comes to rollers.
YITS,
Cliff
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1759 posts
Oct 19, 2007
10:11 AM
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Hey Cliff, it's refreshing to see a club offimicer provide his real opinion on a public forum. You have guts!
If you ran for club president, I would vote for you in a heartbeat. I like your ideas too.
Your enthusiasm and can-do spirit intimidates the gawds. LOL Keep on keeping on.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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nicksiders
2347 posts
Oct 19, 2007
11:11 AM
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Cliff is very tall.
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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J_Star
1206 posts
Oct 19, 2007
11:27 AM
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Apparently we still are not done beating a dead horse. But come to think of it, what color is that dead horse!!!
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1767 posts
Oct 19, 2007
12:31 PM
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Hey Nick, either that or you are very short! LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Oldfart
200 posts
Oct 19, 2007
1:28 PM
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I'll be the first to admit I LOVE RED CHK's, so much for color!
Thom
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spinner jim
179 posts
Oct 19, 2007
1:39 PM
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Come on guys i am enjoying this,keep the discussion going,lol jim,uk, (colour roller breeder).
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1768 posts
Oct 19, 2007
1:44 PM
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Red Check is cool!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Steve_uk
246 posts
Oct 19, 2007
1:51 PM
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Kenny say how you feel braaa dont hold back now lmfao!
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classicpony
460 posts
Oct 19, 2007
6:13 PM
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OH MY, I can see I'm in the wrong thread, if this is the color thread. :)
Jim
Illinois
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Skylineloft
244 posts
Oct 19, 2007
6:18 PM
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tony,
STOP THE BLEEDING...LMAO
Ray
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