elopez
7 posts
Oct 16, 2007
10:04 PM
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Hello Everyone,
Can anyone share their experience with 3/4 birds (father to daughter or Mother to son or even full nephew to full Aunt and vice versa)
I'm interested on how they performed in the air and in the breeding loft. Were they as good or better then the bird they 3/4'ed?
Thanks,
Efren
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nicksiders
2327 posts
Oct 16, 2007
11:20 PM
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My most successful pairings have came from father/daughter. I have had good success with mother/son, but not on the level of the father/daughter pairing. Brother/sister has been very sparatic and probably the worse of results. Most of my birds are related somehow someway, with just minimal inbreeding. Aunt/nephew; uncle/niece; and the step children/step father and all that stuff. I prefer them to have some separation, but yet be related.
Nick
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gotspin7
266 posts
Oct 17, 2007
4:53 AM
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Lopez, I have a loft full of those guys right now! they are mostly father/daughter and mother/son matings, has worked well for me so far! Good Luck!
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elopez
10 posts
Oct 17, 2007
10:20 PM
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Thanks Nick and Gotspin7. Did the offspring perform and breed better then the parents?
Why do you think you results weren't as you planned with the brother/sister matings?
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sleepy1.don
31 posts
Oct 17, 2007
10:28 PM
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Nick how do you get step father or step brother? I really need to know. thanks keepem spinin Don
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nicksiders
2335 posts
Oct 18, 2007
8:02 AM
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The "step" thing was a joke. That don't happen(LOL). Neither do fathers and mothers-in-laws.
Half brothers and sisters, huh? What about double second cousins?
Actually half brothers and sisters will work and a good way to line breed a keep that seperation. I have found that if you get them too closely related you begin to have things like web feet; some funky feathering problems; cross beaks; and they fly with a limp.
You can have a loft full of related birds, but don't get 'em so closely related that these defects begin to show up. It is diffucult to get rid of it.
Just kidding about flying with a limp.
Nick
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Last Edited by on Oct 18, 2007 2:33 PM
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Snake Doctor
27 posts
Oct 18, 2007
3:38 PM
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Let me see if I'm starting to get the hang of this:
If you have a Blue Bar cock and pair him with a Widow Hen who's first mate became supper for a BOP and the Widow has a Ashred daughter you pair up with the Blue Bar's Sire, that makes the Blue Bar's sire his son-in-law and the Ashred hen his step-daughter and step-mother. When the Blue Bar and the widow Hen have a cock chick, he is brother-in-law to the Blue Bar's Sire and also his Uncle and half brother to the Ashred hen. Now, when the Blue Bar's Sire and the Ashred hen have a little cock chick, he will be 1/2 step-grqandson being the Ashred's son. So the Blue Bar's wife, the Widow Hen is His step-mother's mother, his wife is also his Grandmother. Since he is now his wife's grandson as husband of his grandmother I think there is pretty good evidence that he is his own Grandpaw!
If I'm not careful you guys will drive me to drink!
SD
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Skylineloft
242 posts
Oct 18, 2007
3:49 PM
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Snake....LMAO...Good stuff!!!!
The best bird I bred this year came from two 3/4 birds mated together. (Full brother/sister mating).
I bred four birds out of that mating this year. Three turned out fantastic. One has not come into the roll yet.
Ray
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Snake Doctor
29 posts
Oct 18, 2007
4:40 PM
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I'm trying to go to school on you guy's
I don't even have birds yet but I'm making notes for later so I can follow y'alls best results and see what happens maybe the ole Snake will go head to head one day.
SD
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nicksiders
2337 posts
Oct 18, 2007
5:28 PM
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Rev. Cook, you are going to be good for this site....LMAO
Nick
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Snake Doctor
30 posts
Oct 18, 2007
5:50 PM
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Evening Nick,
An you thought I wasn't listenin Monday morning didn't you?????????? I got a mind like a steel trap, rusty!!!!
Until I can get some knowledge and/or Roller experience maybe I can supply the comic relief.
H, H, H, t; ILMHO!
Using the title Reverend on me requires a very generous and broad minded definition for me to qualify.
Been to the show and seen the elephant, put my britches on one leg at a time just like all y'all.
If you don't mind Snake or Ro will suit me just fine.
Keep in mind if you green grunts, the fly boys and the swab jockies ever get to Heaven, We already got the streets guarded!
"Semper Fi"
SD
Last Edited by on Oct 18, 2007 5:51 PM
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nicksiders
2340 posts
Oct 18, 2007
7:24 PM
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We know ya do and we are glad of it.
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BigRiverRollerLofts
Last Edited by on Oct 20, 2007 6:10 PM
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J T
34 posts
Oct 19, 2007
3:54 PM
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SD,
Most do not cherish, or understand the "S" "F" word
Only a true Jar head is greatful!!
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Velo99
1352 posts
Oct 19, 2007
5:57 PM
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Hey Doc,
Who do ya call when ya get in over your head? The fly boys?
Delta 4 to Delta 1. I need an air strike on my pos. Repeat on my pos!! We have bad guys (g version) in the wire.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Oct 19, 2007 5:57 PM
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Snake Doctor
37 posts
Oct 19, 2007
6:22 PM
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JT
those are Close to the first words learned, 3rd generation, may all who come behind us find us "Faithful"
Hey Velo99, I have been known to bum a ride in a quick quick a time or two. If I had a kid would could not get in the Corps, I'd be almost as proud if he/she chose to be a squid or green grunt or fly person or gator.
Every one of them will assist in building character.
"Semper Fi"
On a Roller note, do the birds fly appreciably better in a dead calm??? does a light wind help or hinder? Do they spin into the sun or out of it?
I don't have birds yet, I really am just starting!
Y'all just can't imagine what I don't know.
SD
Last Edited by on Oct 19, 2007 6:36 PM
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Electric-man
723 posts
Oct 19, 2007
7:40 PM
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I like a lite breeze flying my birds! They will turn into it and hit their best breaks! They do ok without a breeze but I get more breaks with one! Thats with my birds anyways!
One of the things you will learn, is you always loose your favorite bird! Like me today! !#$^#%^%^
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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Snake Doctor
39 posts
Oct 19, 2007
7:52 PM
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I am sorry to hear about your bird.
Please delete the following if it is not appropriate.
Did the bird become BOP fodder, a blow away or what?
Does a historically stable, good rollin bird just all of a sudden become a roll down? I mean a roll down they can't recover from? parachute opens on impact!
SD
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Electric-man
727 posts
Oct 19, 2007
8:32 PM
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Neither, Out of a 10 yr old pr of Higgins that I aquired last year,they have raised 4 sets of little ones,only one has been a cockbird, the rest hens! Anyways, I never flew him, because I was gonna breed him to his mother! Long story short,he got out of the cage today and hauled butt! First time ever out! I'm praying that he comes home tomorrow! He was the best looking cock bird I owned, and I got some nice ones! JMO
Val
"Site Moderator"
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gotspin7
286 posts
Oct 20, 2007
5:14 AM
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Lopez, with my family of birds they work real well I have a lot of birds made this way, I think they are just as good! Lopez, I bred a brother sister mating only one time and still have the bird in my loft he produces pretty good ones!
Last Edited by on Oct 20, 2007 5:19 AM
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elopez
111 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:18 PM
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Are you guys getting roll downs on your 3/4 birds? If the father is 40' and the daughter is about the same, would the babies be stable like the parents or would they be to hot?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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gotspin7
736 posts
Dec 03, 2007
5:10 AM
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Efren, that all depends on your family of birds! Like I posted earlier most of my loft (breeders) are 3/4 birds and I get no problems! Most of my birds average 20-40 feet! And course you are always going to bring some all the way down, for example this year I bred 120 young and I rolled down 3 pigeons! Not bad eh? LOL! You should be alright!
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Sal Ortiz
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elopez
117 posts
Dec 03, 2007
8:21 PM
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Not bad at all Sal.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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CSRA
665 posts
Dec 04, 2007
7:56 AM
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Sal good work
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CSRA
666 posts
Dec 04, 2007
7:56 AM
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Sal good work
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Flipmode
17 posts
Dec 31, 2007
12:29 AM
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3/4 pairing gets results for me. Seems to bring out the best in my birds. 3/4ering gets two thumbs up!
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