Oldfart
196 posts
Oct 18, 2007
4:21 PM
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Hey All, In my last round of the year I had a very small egg (half the size of a normal egg), it was fertile so I let it hatch. It hatched first of the two in the round. The squab is two weeks old and very tiny, I just now got a band that would stay on. It's nestmate and all the other(9) from this pairing have been normal size and are doing great. So great that I had fostered three rounds in succussion to be able to evaluate this pairing more closely. The squab appeares normal in every way except size! Has anyone ever had this happen? If the bird finishes as it appears now it will be about one half normal size. I was just courious if this was a rarity or somewhat normal? As always thanks for any imput.
Thom
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sundance
226 posts
Oct 18, 2007
5:25 PM
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Thom, what you got there is known as the Birmingham Pigmy Roller. In about 3 months it will develope a crest on top of its tiny little head in the shape of a little bone. It will also develope feathering around its feet that are known in the Pigmy Roller world as skirts.If left unwatched, as they mature, they become violent and ppossessive in the loft and soon will turn a kit into its personal tribe. And this little bird would be KING !
LOL, seriously Thom, I never had an egg like that , that I didnt just throw out. Maybe I should let one hatch. I get one every so often, maybe 1 a year. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.It should have the genetic makeup to be about normal size, similar to its parents, but , hey , ya never know...
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Butch @
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Oldfart
197 posts
Oct 18, 2007
5:35 PM
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Butch, could be it will have a growth spurt, but if not it will be interesting! I'm not sure if this happened because of the number of eggs this hen has layed in secession or it is just an anomaly? I have never seen this before.
Very Interesting! :-)
Thom
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nicksiders
2338 posts
Oct 18, 2007
5:40 PM
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Sounds very interesting, Thom. Keep us posted on its progress. Maybe you can find a mate for it and create a new breed. But, if they get too aggressive, like Butch described cull them. The only way you can is to drive an aluminum stake through its heart(LOL)
Nick
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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Snake Doctor
31 posts
Oct 18, 2007
5:55 PM
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If that little booger has that much guts, it could be then end of our BOP problems.
It's always the little guys got something to prove!
Tell the Bugler to sound the CHARGE! Sic Em!
SD
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Velo99
1349 posts
Oct 18, 2007
6:33 PM
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Very intersting, have you checked the air pressure? It might just need a shot.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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Snake Doctor
33 posts
Oct 18, 2007
6:40 PM
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I didn't think to ask earlier, check the little guy, he may have a Globe, Eagle and fouled Anchor tatooed on his chest!
"Semper Fi"
SD
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silentroll
150 posts
Oct 18, 2007
7:08 PM
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wow imagine a new breed with small looking, nice rolling, and the ability to outrun the BOP... itz like starting your whole type of animal prototype but smaller...lol...
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Oldfart
198 posts
Oct 19, 2007
4:29 AM
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I can see a whole kit of rollers flying in the living room!
It's still alive and starting to feather out, it is just tiny, in all other respects looks normal. If it stays small
I will post a picture of it and it's nest mate.
Thanks for the input.
Thom
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gotspin7
274 posts
Oct 19, 2007
4:39 AM
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Thom, that is interesting, personally I would cull the bird out!
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Oldfart
199 posts
Oct 19, 2007
9:34 AM
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gotspin7, why? It's just a squab.
Thom
Last Edited by on Oct 19, 2007 9:35 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1761 posts
Oct 19, 2007
10:19 AM
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Hey, if this little guy can fly and has the goods and you feel like you want more of the same, breed it.
It's a novelty in my view and I am curious to see a picture posted.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Oldfart
201 posts
Oct 19, 2007
2:19 PM
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A picture of the Little One and it's nest mate. The Little One hatched first and is 17 days old. The nest mate is 15 days old. The egg was smaller then what I would think of as normal by about 25%. Other then size it appeares to be normal in all aspects.
Thom
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rollerman132
139 posts
Oct 19, 2007
2:51 PM
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I had one like that at the end of this breeding session, I put it with pair that had only one squab about the same size. Little guy didn’t feather out very good,so I had to cull it. All you can hope for the best. Duane
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1769 posts
Oct 19, 2007
2:53 PM
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McRoller Nugget...mmmmmmmm...good!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Oldfart
202 posts
Oct 19, 2007
4:19 PM
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Well, obviously no one is going hungry because the little guy eats too much! I am going to let nature take it's course as long as it is developing normally. When and if it feathers out and seems like any normal young bird I will post a picture in comparison with it's nestmate at that time. Thanks to all! Tony, does Joni send you to Micki D's by yourself?
Thom
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lil_jess
60 posts
Oct 19, 2007
5:38 PM
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hey thom let me know if your getting rid of it....
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Jesse Yang
(916) 335-1577
Sacramento, CA 95820
Home of the Admiration of Flying Performing Pigeon
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gotspin7
282 posts
Oct 20, 2007
5:07 AM
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Thom,I had the same situation happen to me before a few times in fact, and the birds never really flew with the kit, The birds tended to be WEAKER than the rest now matter how much I pulled them to the side and fed them.
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Oldfart
203 posts
Oct 20, 2007
12:56 PM
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Hey gotspin7, Thanks for the input and it will likly turn out badly, but I'm going to give the litte guy the same chance any other bird would get, then if he can't cut it,
I'll still treat him like any other bird. ;-)
Thom
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MILO
607 posts
Oct 20, 2007
1:05 PM
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More often than not, pairs will start incubation early, even before the second egg is layed. They should as a norm heat up when the second egg is layed, but it doesn't always work out that way. So what happens? Well, a baby is born as much as a day later in these cases. The first hatch has a tremendous advantage, and is stronger. The second catches up of course, but I can't say I remember the first hatch being the smaller of the two. I will pull the bigger squeak out as many as two or three times to ensure that the smaller one is fed first. Then when the little runt gets his fill, I will replace the hog. Pretty normal stuff here, so no need to panic. If the youngster is ill however, then that will be even more apparent as time goes on, and the parents should be watched for any communicable illnesses.
c
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Oldfart
204 posts
Oct 20, 2007
4:21 PM
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MILO,c The parents and both young seem just fine , no sickness anywhere in loft or kitbox. I will keep a close eye on them. I placed the larger squab in it's own nest, and the smaller one still with it's mother in the orginal nest. They are feeding both squab just fine.
Thanks for your help! Thanks to everyone!
Thom
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Rob408
37 posts
Dec 19, 2008
1:16 PM
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Thom,
What happened to the bird? Did it turn out okay or was it in fact weaker? Just wondering.
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JBow
29 posts
Dec 19, 2008
10:20 PM
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Thom Just let the bird develope if it makes it fly it if it flys and kits fly it, from there on its up to the bird to make it. What caught my eye is the plactic covering your paper pulp nest bowl and the sand for nest material. you must be from a warm climate because your using sand. I used to use it in calif when i lived there, grreat stuff for nesting. But the plastic or Glad wrap what a great idea. Jim Bowen Kansas
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sundance
940 posts
Dec 20, 2008
11:53 AM
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Jim, I just noticed the plastic too. I remmeber this thread when it was first posted but missed that in the pic.
I`m gonna have to try that idea. Do you suppose its just saran wrap, or glad wrap?
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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Snake Doctor
344 posts
Dec 20, 2008
12:55 PM
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Butch,
Thom uses "Press and Seal" he covers everything with it.
This stuff makes clean up a snap!
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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brudahpete
346 posts
Dec 21, 2008
11:44 PM
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So this squeeker is now over 2 months old now, what was the turnout? Is he/she the KING of the loft or a cull? post up an updated pic.
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