broadwaystar
4 posts
Oct 22, 2007
2:16 PM
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I often listen to different people talk about there family of birds and the one thing i notice is some people refer to the birds as there birds and others as other peoples bird i was wondering after how many genarations do they become your birds after one two or three or do they ever become yours?
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Skylineloft
256 posts
Oct 22, 2007
2:34 PM
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Broadwaystar,
This is the way I see it.
If you bred the bird, its your bird.
It will always go back to the family of birds on its pedigree, but now it was bred the way I wanted to breed it so now it is part of my family of birds.
Ray
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Oldfart
209 posts
Oct 22, 2007
3:23 PM
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Broadwaystar, I have said I fly Ruby's many times on this list. I was wrong! My stock birds are Ruby's through and through. Tony sent me birds from the very best he has, now it is up to me. I hope to improve with my young birds but if I don't I could not in all honesty say it is anyone's fault but mine. I feel they belong to you with the first egg, even more, it would be an injustice to represent the young you breed as the strain you started with! Call them what you will just don't call them the same as the breeder you got your start with. I call mine with a feed can.:-)
Thom
Last Edited by on Oct 22, 2007 3:24 PM
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broadwaystar
5 posts
Oct 22, 2007
3:27 PM
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yea i understand that part but how come when they do good the person that sold you the original birds seams to get the credit and poke there chest out but when they do bad they dont wont nothing to do with you claiming the name tag on those birds
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Skylineloft
257 posts
Oct 22, 2007
3:44 PM
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Broadwaystar,
Do you blame them......lol
You do good with there birds..GREAT. It says allot about the guys birds.
You don't, do you really want to talk to him anyway lol....Try some different birds.
Ray
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Velo99
1362 posts
Oct 22, 2007
3:48 PM
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There lies the crux of the situation. Hero or zero?
It really helps to develop a think skin. Some guys are gonna listen to you and some won`t. It`s ones that won`t who will knock you.
It is what it is bro. Thats why some guys won`t sell or give away birds. They would rather kill every bird they have rather than have some dummy knock them and their birds.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
Last Edited by on Oct 22, 2007 3:49 PM
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John
70 posts
Oct 22, 2007
5:10 PM
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Broadwaystar,
You know when other people are doing well with your birds it boost sells. If there yours when they do well, then they are yours when they don't do so well also.Come on guys want all the credit when you do well but push away when you don't do so well.If you want the credit then take all the credit not just some of it.There yours not matter what, If they win the world Cup or land on some ones lawn down the street to take a drink during a major fly, there yours.
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
15 posts
Oct 22, 2007
6:02 PM
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My birds are Bob Scott and Norm Reed,they where from B Scott and Norm Reed when i got them and i dont think i can improve anything,come on guys how much faster can they spin?
To put my name on them like i reinvented the wheel is disrespect to the guys that really improved them long ago.
I dont think they can spin any faster or deeper than what we already have .
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Hector Coya
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broadwaystar
6 posts
Oct 22, 2007
6:13 PM
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i personaly belive the moment you put the money in someones hand there yours no matter how much you spend rather a little or a lot how do i know i remember a guy spent $1500 on a cock that had won the california clasic as soon as he got the bird home it died in his loft the guy went back to him to try to get his money back for the bird the guy told him as soon as the bird left the yard it was his bird now im not sure if i agree with that as being right but a do belive that there are a lot of fame grabbers in this game and it is true people will name drop to sell a few birds but you have to be true with yourself rather they do good or bad you brought them there your birds
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Fire Brewed Rollers
3 posts
Oct 22, 2007
9:17 PM
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All Birmingham Rollers go back to some family line as long as they are on the pedigree sheet. If you only have Ruby Rollers them they go back to the Ruby Roller line. If you mix two families they are all your line or family but they still go back to the original families. If only your name is on the Pedigree sheet, six generations, they are all your line of birds, but you can say your line goes back to XYZ? family or families.
Pedigreed birds only give you a line to follow.
None pedigree Birmingham Rollers are all your line or family as soon as you own them, but you can still say they go back too or you got them from. .
Pedigreed birds don’t roll better but you have a better ideal of the family line.
It all boils down to loft management, good management produces good birds, poor loft management will destroy the birds. Everyone I know has good quality birds, management is the key to a good Kit of rollers. It is given that they must roll good, if they don't roll get rid of them.
Robert Miller
Fire Brewed Rollers
Last Edited by on Oct 22, 2007 9:29 PM
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Santandercol
1560 posts
Oct 22, 2007
9:31 PM
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Yeah,management and being able to fly the kit enough time when they are young without having them attacked by BOPs.
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Kelly
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elopez
26 posts
Oct 22, 2007
10:37 PM
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I agree Kelly. Got hit on all 4 kits today by 3 different coopers. Lost only 1. It's sad but I guess it was a good day...
Efren
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elopez
27 posts
Oct 22, 2007
10:38 PM
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Well said Rob. Like the new website.
Efren
Last Edited by on Oct 22, 2007 10:39 PM
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gotspin7
305 posts
Oct 23, 2007
5:24 AM
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broadway! I think you got it! you feed them you clean them good or bad they are yours!
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Sal Ortiz
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Alohazona
323 posts
Oct 23, 2007
10:26 AM
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If you are breeding from the originals or pure from the kids of the originals,the credit should go back to the original breeder,no matter how many generations no,ifs ands or butts.Once you bring in an out side bird for what ever reason,they are uniquely your own,from the first squeak....Aloha,Todd
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2007 10:26 AM
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Shaun
541 posts
Oct 23, 2007
12:31 PM
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I agree, Todd. I wouldn't be comfortable claiming my George Mason birds as my own, when the line was honed by the man over decades, and many people - myself included - have jumped on his bandwagon. Until someone moves the line in a different direction, say, by bringing in an outcross or, more radically, mixing strains, I feel that simply continuing with a successful line is little more than good management. Of course, being a good manager is more than half the battle, but that still doesn't make an already proven strain your own.
Shaun
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lionel
1 post
Oct 24, 2007
5:03 PM
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I think everyone gets a chance to improve a line of birds, whether its pedigree birds or birds you buy at a local feed store. Why not call them your own? Rollers roll that’s what they do, they rolled before top breeders got a hold of them and they’ll keep rolling after someone else gets a hold of them, it all comes down to breeding and stocking the birds (YOU) CONSIDER GOOD PERFORMERS,
I’m not saying to deny where the bird came from. I guess what Im trying to say is that if you put the time and effort they must be yours.
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