lionel
3 posts
Oct 25, 2007
4:01 PM
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What do you guys think about crested rollers? I read somewhere that Birmingham Rollers use to carry crest decades ago
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1803 posts
Oct 25, 2007
4:04 PM
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I have never produced one from my stock. Starfire from Canada has been breeding them for years. Perhaps if he comes around he can comment.
I think Hector C. has some, right Hector? Sorry if I am confusing you with someone else.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Missouri-Flyer
850 posts
Oct 25, 2007
4:26 PM
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Lionel, is that really you????..Stan Arnold?..LOL...If so, welcome back..if not, sorry Lionel.
I have never seen a crested birds.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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fhtfire
1158 posts
Oct 25, 2007
4:44 PM
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Mongrals....LOL...J/K....Had one and it well...did not las to long.....accidently seprated its head from it body...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Missouri-Flyer
853 posts
Oct 25, 2007
4:46 PM
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Paul,
I am glad we dont have BOP here that target CERTAIN areas of the birds!..That could get ugly seeing be-headed birds laying all over...LMAO
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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quickspin
6 posts
Oct 25, 2007
4:58 PM
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Yes Hector does have some and they spin real deep.
RS
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lionel
4 posts
Oct 25, 2007
5:07 PM
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thanks guys
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3757
187 posts
Oct 25, 2007
5:35 PM
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I have bred Pensom rollers for 40 years and have never bred one. Bruce Cooper never bred one, either has Herb Sparkes. All of the Pensom guys that I know never bred a topnotch outside of Ralph Hilton (which I believe was crossed). Just my opinion!
Mike Miravia is the only guy that bred rollers into the top notch birds but they are crosses.
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
20 posts
Oct 25, 2007
6:05 PM
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I am playing around with the crest,i got mine from 3 diferent people,all diferent from each other.
The newest one i got will blow you guys away,Especialy Tony.
A few months ago a friend of mine whent to Sal Estradas House,he called me the next day and said Sal had some crest,so i called him all exited.He wasnt as exited to know the news was out.The birds he bred where directly out of Norm Reeds birds.the diference is that they have a front notch on ther forehead,as soon as i have a chance ill post it in this site,he gave me one so im going to mate it with one of my crest.
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Hector Coya
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3757
188 posts
Oct 25, 2007
6:37 PM
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Hector - Were the birds in an individual pen or open loft?
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bman
470 posts
Oct 25, 2007
6:57 PM
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c...........i think you are enjoying this too much.LOL
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Santandercol
1573 posts
Oct 25, 2007
7:02 PM
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Kelly
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
21 posts
Oct 25, 2007
7:09 PM
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One of them i got from an old man the use to live close by,he bred open loft,but he only had ROLLERS,
The other i got from this guy i met at a show,i had donated a pair for the raffle and he came up and told me he had bred one like that,he didnt want it so he gave it to me.that was out of his Jaconett stuff,the one i got from Salhe payed good mony for the parent from Norm Reed himself,you can ask Norm if you dont want to beleive it.
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Hector Coya
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
22 posts
Oct 25, 2007
7:10 PM
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Ive seen 2 websites from England that Show crested rollers;
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Hector Coya
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1805 posts
Oct 25, 2007
7:21 PM
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Yeah, I know a few years ago, I think I remember him getting some birds from Norm and mixing.
I did not know why, he told me he went too far away from his stuff, I think he was just seeing what else was out there.
I'll call him and find out.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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spanky
28 posts
Oct 25, 2007
7:32 PM
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hey guys i got 2 crested birds from hector.
an tell you what they can sure spin. just 2 deep.
SPANKY
SGVS
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W@yne
697 posts
Oct 26, 2007
6:59 AM
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Good ole Stan Arnold is the guy that breeds a crested family of rollers over many many years.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Velo99
1366 posts
Oct 26, 2007
1:51 PM
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Nope,
I ain`t gonna.
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V99
Flippin`The Bird!
http://www.bluedotloft.50megs.com
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Gregg
212 posts
Oct 26, 2007
6:42 PM
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Kenny,
Your restraint is admirable.
I'll post pics of my color birds some day just to give you guys a chance to come unglued. LOL:>>)))).
Gregg.
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Mongrel Lofts
411 posts
Oct 26, 2007
9:07 PM
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Kenny,
Your restraint is admirable.
I'll post pics of my color birds some day just to give you guys a chance to come unglued. LOL:>>)))).
Gregg.
Gregg,
would you put some crest and tufts on them colored birds please!! LOL KGB
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
24 posts
Oct 27, 2007
8:56 AM
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One thing i can say up in the aur you cant tell the crest from the normal,they roll the same.Ive had people point out a bird and ask if i want to sell it,to ther disapointment i tell them its a crest.
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Hector Coya
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elopez
35 posts
Oct 30, 2007
11:47 PM
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Hey Hector,
How are your crested rollers coming along? Have you been able to add control to them? Or are you still getting them too hot?
Are you still flying? or have you locked down?
Efren
SGVS
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jim
21 posts
Oct 31, 2007
5:04 AM
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Hi
i just bought 20 birds from the hein bijker family and there is 1 crested bird.
The breeder says it is the third one he has breeded from the same family
jim
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nicksiders
2384 posts
Oct 31, 2007
8:47 AM
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(Moderated)
Nick
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SNICKER Rollers
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Missouri-Flyer
869 posts
Oct 31, 2007
8:49 AM
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moderated?.. I didnt even get to read what he wrote first..LOL...you boys are FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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nicksiders
2385 posts
Oct 31, 2007
8:49 AM
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So,............if they roll they're rollers, right?
Nick
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SNICKER Rollers
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Missouri-Flyer
871 posts
Oct 31, 2007
9:05 AM
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If it looks like a horse then it probably is a horse..Now, if it looks like a horse, is it a cutting horse?.. Thats where the performance and breeding come into play.
A roller is just that. BUT, is it a good roller?..Breeding and performance will dictate that question!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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nicksiders
2386 posts
Oct 31, 2007
11:32 AM
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If in your pursuite towards better performance and a crest pops up that is one thing; if you are pursueing crested birds that is another.
I think we have people in here pursueing the crest which makes no sense. The Birmingham Roller is a performance breed; nothing more and nothing less. If you want to pursue the crest please find another breed....you can do this, it is okay. Put the roller down and step away; those other breeds have thier own sites.....just keep buying your supplies here.
Damn!
Nick
PS - I think the crest was introduced into the Birmingham after the fact. I believe the breed used was the Komorner Tumbler, but it was done just decades ago; keeping in mind the Birmingham is centurys old.....that is what I believe which has nothing to do with facts.
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SNICKER Rollers
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
26 posts
Oct 31, 2007
5:34 PM
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I became interested in the crest just a few years ago.
I dont know what the problem is, most of us breed for some kind of body tipe or look.some breed verry small birds others have birds on the heavy side,but its a caracter we chose to follow.Ive seen crested Homers from Belgium,ive seen wild commies at Laughlin Nevada ,ther is a hole family that live at a casino parking lot i thnk they got it from inbreeding becouse there wasnt new birds in the decert,i dont know.
I have a Crest that comes out of 2 pure Norm Reed birds and i dont think he crossed them with anything.
I dont breed for crest but im breeding fast deep crest to fast deep crest and they happen to produce crest,whats wrong with that?
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Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Oct 31, 2007 5:35 PM
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elopez
38 posts
Nov 01, 2007
1:10 PM
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Hey Hector,
I think your crested birds look good and they must be doing their job, since you came in first for the SGVS club flys.
If my family of birds produced a crest, and it performed to my expectations, I would stock it as I would any other. I don't care, crest no crest, color... I'm just looking for the best bird I can stock to make them just that much better.
Efren
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Gregg
218 posts
Nov 01, 2007
4:37 PM
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If in your pursuite towards better performance and a crest pops up that is one thing; if you are pursueing crested birds that is another.
I think we have people in here pursueing the crest which makes no sense. The Birmingham Roller is a performance breed; nothing more and nothing less. If you want to pursue the crest please find another breed....you can do this, it is okay. Put the roller down and step away; those other breeds have thier own sites.....just keep buying your supplies here.
Damn!
Nick,
Your pursuit of perfection is admirable. But don't you think that other people can find beauty in something as simple as a few feathers turned the wrong way and still breed for the performance. And I know you feel the same way about breeding for color. Actually it is another challenge in breeding a wonderful bird. My birds are locked down right now, will be for a while. I am using this time to figure out how to get the best performance out my color birds. I will probably have one color bird in every pairing next year.
Am I driving you nuts yet. Good. See when you try to tell us, dictate to us, to get out of rollers, you are way out of line. And you feel I am way out of line. But I don't try to tell you that you have to try this color bird.
So, would you please give the guys some slack.
Gregg.
Hey KGB. Nah, I'm not going to play. But I've got a sweet little Don Oulette bred bronze grizzle that I'm using that throws a bit of a slippered foot. Doesn't seem to bother her youngsters in the air performance wise. Actually have a bit of that here and there in the loft. It pops up from all of them crosses. Smile. And I did email Don, she is a double granddaughter off of his old stud cock. She crosses nicely with my birds.
Gregg
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elopez
43 posts
Nov 01, 2007
5:27 PM
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Good Post Greg.
If you could choose one of two birds that were identical in the air and cage, but one was a blue check self and the other was a blue grizzle w/s baldy, which one would you choose?
Efren
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Gregg
224 posts
Nov 02, 2007
6:51 AM
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Milo,
Would I do something like that? I'm just a kindly old man that appreciates fairness.
Gregg.
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Gregg
225 posts
Nov 02, 2007
6:54 AM
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elopez,
Don't know where your going or why? If both are equal and by that you mean great in the air performance wise and you wanted more grizzles, I'd mate them to each other provided they are opposite sex. Lay some more information on here and I'll get back to you Monday.
Gregg.
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elopez
48 posts
Nov 02, 2007
9:19 AM
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Greg,
Sorry for not being clear enough.. What I meant to state is that If I had two birds that were equal in performance and I could only stock one, I would prefer the better looking one (the blue grizzle)
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2007 9:22 AM
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quickspin
32 posts
Nov 02, 2007
11:35 PM
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Hi Gregg,
I will breed 4 rounds with one cock then another 4 rounds with the other one. Then you will see which of the two produce the best ones. No two birds are the same, even if they are brothers they are not the same. First go for the quality then everything else comes in place.
I'm gething some nice colors on my birds and not even trying. If you see the parents they are not preety. I also change pairs after 4 rounds so I always get new colors.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
356 posts
Nov 03, 2007
2:55 AM
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ZUPPPPPPPPPPPPP Quickpin
Nice sets of looking birds there ..good luck in the future
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