diamondrollers
110 posts
Oct 30, 2007
9:18 PM
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i thought i would share a few birds
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diamondrollers
111 posts
Oct 30, 2007
9:24 PM
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here is a little cock bird of the krenz side now known as the notc pigeon or 21111
Last Edited by on Oct 30, 2007 10:17 PM
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diamondrollers
113 posts
Oct 30, 2007
9:29 PM
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this hen is one of my 71 birds
Last Edited by on Oct 30, 2007 10:18 PM
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diamondrollers
114 posts
Oct 30, 2007
9:31 PM
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here goes my pure inbreed 90 hen im trying to take a better pic
Last Edited by on Oct 30, 2007 10:19 PM
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crystalpalace
137 posts
Oct 30, 2007
10:47 PM
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Sal there looking good like they ought too. I have birds that are simular to them and one cock is right off the hen that won the young bird fly. He is old snd mated to one of my top and bottom 514 dark check hens. They are top quality birds and i fly them with my mealy bar family. I mated the dark check to the mealy bar many years ago. This is how i shelled out blue bars and red checks. The lavender color is mated to all these colors too. Then the white came from my mealy bar family in all the colors mentioned. The ancestory of all this stock can be found in the Bill Pensom books. Kenny did a great job in breeding his family and is still going forward breeding great birds. He has a few other families to work with at the present time. All the families that im breeding and flying will be seen this year. I bred more of the new English stock this year and they are very attractive rollers. The majority are black and white and red and white. Then there are some that are blue bars and blue checks with white feathers. I have some Ollie Harris stock that are grizzels and white marked that will be shown too. Good luck with your birds. Ray
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tapp
425 posts
Oct 30, 2007
10:54 PM
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Ray, is there a difference between a mealy bar and a red bar? I get confused! But that don't take much!!!!!! Nice birds Diamond rollers!
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Tapp
Last Edited by on Oct 30, 2007 10:55 PM
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crystalpalace
138 posts
Oct 31, 2007
1:06 PM
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I have a large selection of the two mealy colors you mentioned. I own the original mealy portrayed in the William Bill Pensom book. Look on page 13 that is PRC55-183 and on page 121 is his Sire NPA49-1697. The dam was lavender PRC51-6462. I actually have three ash red mealy colors that will be shown on my new web-sire and Tonys roller pigeon.com. Ash red bar silver is usually red brown in head and neck and light gray in the shield with two red brown bars. Tail bar has a washing effect of the mutant. The tail bar feather shafts with ashy white webbing are typical ash reds of all patterns. The bar of ash red are usually less distinct than in blue-black or brown. It can be confussing but i call my mealy with dark red in the neck,head and bars mealy red bars. The lighter shade are called mealy dun bars. I bred a new family in the same ash bar family in 1980 and they are lighter than the two other colors. The sire was a red check and dam was a mealy dun bar. I hope everyone wii be pleased to see them! Good luck with all your rollers. Ray
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crystalpalace
139 posts
Oct 31, 2007
1:39 PM
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Ash red is a dominant mutation and the gene that produced blue-black became altered and a new effect occupies the same location on the chromosome as blue-black. When it was produced it became an alternative to blublack. These altertnative genes are called,alleles. The new mutant BA has been shown to be dominant to blue-black. Initially dominant red was iterduced but it was changed to ash red. Ash red is a mutant considered to be an improvment over wild type. Mealies and red checks are tight feathered and generaly superior in feather quality to wild type blues. Mealies,red checkers and red T-pattern velvets are bred exclusively in rollers. Sonny Ray
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classicpony
505 posts
Oct 31, 2007
6:27 PM
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Diamondrollers,
Like then black birds. good looking stuff.
Jim
Illinois
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diamondrollers
115 posts
Oct 31, 2007
8:03 PM
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hey guys thanks
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diamondrollers
116 posts
Oct 31, 2007
11:03 PM
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its wierd i thought milo or kgb would have posted somthing about these birds i was hoping to read there thoughts it cool there still my hommies lol lol
Last Edited by on Oct 31, 2007 11:03 PM
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diamondrollers
118 posts
Nov 01, 2007
6:20 AM
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hey milo look at this 285 hen not the greatest pic but she got orange eyes i got about three hens with deep orange eyes this hen produced 65% good ro;;ers i stocked a bird of her that was by far the best bird i bred it also has orange eyes but i never but orange on orange to keep a balance of pearl and orange birds
Last Edited by on Nov 01, 2007 6:24 AM
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CSRA
345 posts
Nov 01, 2007
7:43 AM
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nice birds very nice pics
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SAT Roller
61 posts
Nov 01, 2007
9:17 AM
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Milo,
Do you feel that the better birds have that orange eye? The reason I ask is that when I had rollers before my orange eyed birds always seem to be better birds.
The pearl & gravel colored eyes seem to be flyers instead of spinners?????
That pedigree that you entered while I was fixing on asking the question above is something else. Talk about inbreeding, would this be a good example to follow?
Are full bother & sister matings good to do? I always thought that was too close, not according to what I am looking at.
That is one jammed up pedigree. Wow...
Richard
Last Edited by on Nov 01, 2007 9:25 AM
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nicksiders
2393 posts
Nov 01, 2007
10:09 AM
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You can make copies of the pedigre and that way you don't have to keep rewriting it over and over. Just change a few band numbers here and there and you can some real good pigeons(LOL)
Nick
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SAT Roller
62 posts
Nov 01, 2007
11:28 AM
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Milo,
Thanks for the replies, maybe that is why I got my butt kicked most the time when i would compete in our local flys. LOL
I was really surprised to see how that egg hen you were referring was breed. Makes me thing maybe at times I should have been breeding a lot closer than I was.
I have copied and printed out a copy of that pedigree to remind me when I get some decent birds raised up over the next couple years on how I might want to breed them in the future.
Thanks for sharing,
Richard
Richard
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diamondrollers
119 posts
Nov 01, 2007
7:31 PM
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diamondrollers
120 posts
Nov 01, 2007
10:53 PM
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hey milo i couldnt call you back my wife put in a movie to watch it with me but anyways thanks for the information i really like that second hen with the orange eyes im hopeing the bird i stocked will turn out to be a cock so i can 3/4 her but i cant tell its one of those in between birds that can go both ways i will take a pic of it and post it soon i will give you a call soon
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diamondrollers
123 posts
Nov 02, 2007
10:17 AM
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the mother to these two hen is a
smokie bluebar hen ccrc-02-#79 the ped im posting is for ccrc-02-#53 which is a full sister to #79 i own these two hens i cant find the ped on the father i miss placed it i know that its bred the same 285 line with one line of slate. I might have to get an other one from Jack
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2007 10:27 AM
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diamondrollers
124 posts
Nov 02, 2007
10:29 AM
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it is I havent filled it in because my hand writing is diffrent
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diamondrollers
127 posts
Nov 02, 2007
11:29 AM
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milo here i one of my stock cocks and his ped
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diamondrollers
130 posts
Nov 02, 2007
11:48 AM
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i took about 15 shots of him and couldnt get a good one he looks to be roughed up a little he might not be done molting some day ill get a good shot of him like the kiser cock
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diamondrollers
131 posts
Nov 02, 2007
11:50 AM
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i got some off him starting to show some goods i bred him later in the season so there still young 3-5 months
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diamondrollers
133 posts
Nov 02, 2007
12:30 PM
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milo here is the hen i told you about she is off 869 which is off kennys 50 cock on the top and 338 a hen off 1092 which roy wanted back from the birds jack purchased
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diamondrollers
134 posts
Nov 02, 2007
12:31 PM
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just some better pics of the 285 hen and the 90 hen
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diamondrollers
139 posts
Nov 02, 2007
1:36 PM
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there not as black as they look but there not as clear as yours most of my birds tend to have a little darker beak it wierd you see the peds there the real deal but could it be the one line of slate bird and jacks selection who knows now you making me nervous that i might a lot of stiffs in my hands help i need help lol
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Oakman
1 post
Nov 04, 2007
12:18 PM
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Ssal, and Milo
The birds you got from me, that I bred, are what they are. The 89 cock is the splitting image of 870. The 79 blue bar slate hen produces black beaks, and feet. That's comes fron the 744 slate daughter I got from Borges. I believe that trait comes from the 514 behind 744. The old orange eyed hen Sal posted, if it is the old hen that came from Larry, whot got it from Alex in bakersfield has 2266 behind it. That's where the black feet, and beak come from. Every bird I bred off 1092 were bred individualy. Anyone who came to my place during the time I was breeding 1092 knows that.
I don't need people trying to make it appear that I'm dishonest. The 140 cock from Roy was bred to 363. 363 is off off 710 a son of the slate cock paired to Kenny 285 hen. Any birds off that pair, or down off the pair can through dark beaks, and feet. As for the pure 1092 birds that I bred, if you pair them together and get dark beaks or feet, you need to call Kenny, and ask him where they came from. Sal you need help. What do you mean by, you need help? I set you up with birds, good birds. Now you don't trust me. Why don't you bring every one of your "so called stifs" back to me and I'll get whatever you traded for them back. Afted that I'm done with your ass. I've done you you good from day one. Now you and Milo try to make me look less than honest. I don't need friends like that. I don't believe anyone does.
Jack
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diamondrollers
155 posts
Nov 04, 2007
1:30 PM
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hey jack
you dont have to get so defensive i like the birds i got. didnt you see the lol lol after the help i need help its a joke
sal
Last Edited by on Nov 04, 2007 1:34 PM
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Oakman
2 posts
Nov 04, 2007
8:18 PM
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Milo
The info I recieved about the mottle cock was it was the same as the mottle cock Kenny had from Roy. Mabe I misunderstood Roy when he said that was what the mottle cock off of. So you thought you would through your comment out there to help clear things up. Actually, I do take things personal, like your last comment. So Pepe and mike called you, but didn't give me a call. I don't know why I didn't get a call. I get a hold Pepe or Mike tomorrow, and get this mistake taken care of. As for what you had to say about the birds Sal got from me. Someone called me, and said you might want to check out what's being said about you on the Roller talk chat room. So I guess I wasen't the only one bothered by what you and Sal had to say. As for the time I called you a, you know what. I didn't know it was you, and I knew nothing about attachments. I told you I was sorry for that. As for you last comments you did take a poke at my honestly, not once but twice. I've never knowingly lied about any birds I've sold or given away. You might think your remark about the mottle cock is no big deal, but you've planted a seed in the mind of everyone who reads your post. In the back of their mind their always going to question my honestly. Thank's alot Milo.
Jack
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Electric-man
794 posts
Nov 04, 2007
8:40 PM
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Hope things get headed uphill pretty quick here! This is not going to turn into a battleground! You guys don't need to air out your dirty laundry here! Maybe some phone calls or some private emails would be a better aproach!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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Oakman
3 posts
Nov 04, 2007
8:53 PM
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Milo
Sure were friends. I get alomg with anyone, but if I feel someone questioing my honestly I'm going to let them know about it. Oh, by the way noones after me. I guess you never had a chance to see the red mottles bred off the full brother sister dummy pair. They were both Red checks, but they produced Red mottles, They looked just like the Mottle cock I traded Pepe. I should have got the pedigrees before I traded the bird to Pepe. That's a mistake that will never happen again. I consider us friends, until you say different.
Jack
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crystalpalace
155 posts
Nov 05, 2007
9:09 PM
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I heard you guys were having a fued on this site so I had to check it out. Ive known Jack for nearly thirty years and have always considered him a very honest person. You cant find a better friend than Jack Meyers nor a dedicated Roller fancier. Jack has bred and flown the best breeding stock that was imported into the United States of America in the early nineteen hundreds. Milo and Sal are both dedicated Roller fanciers with a great future ahead of them. Im proud to say they are my friends too. We have lot in common in the Roller breed and we all lived in California at one time including Kenny. There will be a day when all of us will meet again and enjoy the Roller breed together. I know you guys can settle this pigeon issue soon and enjoy the hobby together. Your old friend, Ray
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