COYOTE33
157 posts
Dec 05, 2008
10:34 AM
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Pat66, my email is blazario@pacbell.net
scott, pensom bred a certain trait in the pensom rollers and he beleive the later developer was the better bird at that time, you can't tell me that we have bred that trait completely out of these birds, especially if you have birds close to what he had. i have birds one generation out of what plona bred. if you find that hard to beleive, i'm not going to try and convince you my friend.
coyote
Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2008 10:36 AM
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Scott
1328 posts
Dec 05, 2008
10:51 AM
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( pensom bred a certain trait in the pensom rollers and he beleive the later developer was the better bird at that time, )
this is the problem with trying to understand the context of what is read without understanding the birds- it isn't later developers,it is that they don't FINISH developing until later,which I find holds very true with my own birds.
Toss the books and pedigrees in the closet and get out and fly and learn your pigeons, there is no other way, if a bird isn't producing can it regardless of the ped., if the birds are any good they will make thier own reputation.
forget up close to some dead bird out of some dead guys loft, it doesn't mean squat except as a sales pitch.
The goal is to keep it moveing foward and develope a line where there is some consistancy to making good ones in decent percentages.
I am still wondering what the difference is between the comp bird and the so called ind ? And where are these ind. Flys ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2008 11:02 AM
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Alohazona
508 posts
Dec 05, 2008
11:21 AM
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Scott, I agree,if a bird isn't producing it's a canner.If a bird rolls good and consistantly pulls the kit up into the heavens,its a canner.
Coyote,I have that same family of birds.With what you got from Dick,you should be able to work several sides of that family[Heat,early developing,speed,frequency,etc.}P.S.what happened to P.Cookie,is she still around?....Aloha,Todd
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COYOTE33
158 posts
Dec 05, 2008
11:26 AM
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like i said Scott its hard for you to believe anything, just like you say you have your on opinion and i have mine, i have my birds and you have yours. your not going to change me and im not going to change you. i hope your happy with your birds, because im going to be happy with mine. thank you for your opinion :)
coyote
Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2008 11:27 AM
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COYOTE33
159 posts
Dec 05, 2008
12:26 PM
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your right todd, i just was just making a point. the continentals are a very nice family of birds. polish cookie is dead, but i still have birds out of her. hope you are doing fine in the islands. tell walt i said hello.
coyote
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gotspin7
2088 posts
Dec 05, 2008
6:41 PM
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3757, I am game let me know what is needed and I will get the ball rolling on this side of the country. You can e-mail at sortiz@arvest.com or gotspin7@yahoo.com.
Coyote, thanks for sharing.
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Sal Ortiz
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pacos bill
73 posts
Dec 05, 2008
6:45 PM
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3757 First I want to thank you for sharing your vast roller experience with all of us.
I would be very interested in helping if I can, to promote and FLY an individual fly comp.
Thanks Pacos Bill Lake Elsinore cal.email bill@gude.com
Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2008 6:48 PM
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Hector Coya
302 posts
Dec 05, 2008
7:00 PM
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Coyote.I dont think George was that happy about those Stevens birds,didnt he get rid of them all?
I got a cock from George from the Dick Stevens pair,i didnt think they where that great,Not bad but not great.
George let us know what you thought about the birds you got from Dick?
Hector Coya-SGVS
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3757
1084 posts
Dec 06, 2008
12:10 AM
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Gotspin - I will e-mail you today.
Pacos Bill - Thanks and I will contact you also.
Ken - You have mail.
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Scott
1340 posts
Dec 06, 2008
10:47 AM
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(like i said Scott its hard for you to believe anything,)
Sorry, but I am not following you,what is it that I don't believe ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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George R.
1224 posts
Dec 06, 2008
9:17 PM
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Hector
I wasted a lot of time trying to get those Birds from Dick S. (rip) to roll.
I only got one good Bird and Coyote has it now.
The Birds I got from Dick were good looking Birds and were better for the show pen .
The Novice
George
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COYOTE33
160 posts
Dec 06, 2008
11:05 PM
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hey George i actually sent the cock to gregg truesdale
in north carolina, he got birds from dick and he is having great success with the roll not the show pen, everybody cant fly continentals but at lease you could with one good cock.
coyote
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Mount Airy Lofts
837 posts
Dec 06, 2008
11:54 PM
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Interesting read guys. From both sides...
Coyote.. believe it not. I find that the further I breed from the originals, the higher the percentages of good birds. I two have had the luxury of picking up first generation Plona birds as well. The percentages I was seeing then, can't touch what I am seeing now. I am on my third leg of selecting my birds out of my air space. It has done wonders for my breeding program. I think you can only go so far with the originals. It is up to you to take them to the next level.
I saw what I like and now am breeding what I want more of. I believe this is only achieved if I move past the originals.
Take care my friend,
Thor
P.S. I still owe you a videos of Brian's breeders. In there you will see birds bred by John White and Dick Nauer. There are a few in there that are first generation Plonas. Now that the weather is only pushing singles for highs, I'll have more time on hand.
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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3757
1089 posts
Dec 07, 2008
5:23 AM
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Thor - That is awesome that you are taking the Plona birds forward. You have to constantly improve for those qualities you desire. The birds should be a foundation and you build your house on a foundation. Great Thor and make two copies if you can?
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COYOTE33
161 posts
Dec 07, 2008
10:16 AM
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thanks Thor, for your input, i would love to see the video. when you have time please send it. those plona's are a velocity family very similar to the continentals, i like my plona's very much. by the way i talk to dick neaur a couple of weeks ago, he's doing fine.
coyote
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