CSRA
400 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:13 AM
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I was hoping to get MORE responses and info from all of the pigeon fanciers out there on what seems to be the elusive TRUE SPINNER
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MILO
788 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:20 AM
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Perhaps you should define "Spinners" first. I think some are afraid to tackle this one head on.
I am curious as to how some of the responses say spinners are more geared to individual performance. As if a kit of 20 rollers cant be spinners. Odd.
Shouldn't we all be striving to breed the best quality performers?
I certainly hope this doesn't develop into a competition versus individual bird argument. You can have both. It is a misconception that they are two different kinds of perfomer. Perhaps some clarification would help.
c
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CSRA
403 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:25 AM
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MILO WOW GOT SOMEONE TO SPEAK ON IT
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CSRA
404 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:26 AM
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Milo you are very sharp
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J_Star
1247 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:30 AM
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A bird that beats the law of gravity don't even drop one foot. Therefore, they are not scorable. Speed is in the eye of the beholder. Tody's birds can't spin any faster than that.
Jay Alnimer
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Gregg
230 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:33 AM
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Milo,
You should definitely say "WOW" when you see it. I have seen it twice in my own back yard and once in another fanciers. Not that they are not dropping, just that they are doing it at a tremendous rate of revolution and appear to hang in the air to some degree. It is definitely something to behold.
Paraphrasing another roller fancier as it was told to me: "Sometimes it doesn't pay to advertise the ownership of such a bird. If they can't borrow it, they will try to buy it. If they can't buy it, they will steal it." I know that doesn't apply to most but it does happen.
It is the type of bird that my whole roller life has been geared to. You don't raise a bird like this by accident, you get it because you are committed to the ultimate performance attainable from a Birmingham Roller. In doing that, with the right stock, it is attainable.
Gregg.
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Gregg
231 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:36 AM
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Jay,
If that is the case, there would never be a "champion."
Gregg.
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MILO
789 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:40 AM
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I know what a jaw dropper looks like Gregg...LOL The hen I recently posted was a good example. My point is simply that we should always be breeding in this direction. That is simply the elusive standard. So ya, we totally agree to agree.
As far as defying gravity? Hmmm...I'm gonna pass on that one.
c
Last Edited by on Nov 06, 2007 8:42 AM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
196 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:46 AM
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MIlo you took the words out of our mouths on your post, for others fanciers to try to understand the focus of the few handful (minority) what we try to breed for >we do love kit competition but not just for the basic working roller, we dont just try to breed just one or a few spinners but our focus is try to breed as many of these type of atheletes as much as possible to make kits.THE QUANITY WITH THE QUALITY. The right spin and style, it is dam sure not easy but we try and keep on trying and not let our thought and focus fall to compromise.
Richard Luna
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
197 posts
Nov 06, 2007
8:58 AM
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Steve your one funny dude.
Gregg the spinner that defies gravity at first is the ulimate. I have seen a hand full of this birds that spin a second or two in the same place first without droppinng, like a tire stuck in sand, then after that the varied depth comes.
This is a action to be seen.(incredible)
Richard Luna
Last Edited by on Nov 06, 2007 9:07 AM
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J_Star
1249 posts
Nov 06, 2007
9:07 AM
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This is my view only about this subject. There is equilibrium between speed and depth. Once one of the traits takes over the other, it becomes a fault. A bird that spins so fast and eludes the viewer that he didn’t drop a foot has no place in a kit box. Rather, its place is in the breeding loft to breed more speed into others instead of breeding more like him. Respectfully, if a bird in that caliber is called a champion, I wonder what we call a fast spinning bird that drops 25 to 30’.
Jay Alnimer
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
198 posts
Nov 06, 2007
9:19 AM
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J-STAR,I would'nt go that far to call this type of bird with caliber a champion. To me a champion would have to fly a least two years of displaying what he or she wants to do when he or she wants. 5ft -10ft-40-50+,intelligence of height to display his or hers spin with style, tumbles and the yo-yo style. In my years of this hobby I can say I only bred two and one possible.
R-Luna
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J_Star
1250 posts
Nov 06, 2007
9:26 AM
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Agree, Richard.
Jay Alnimer
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CSRA
407 posts
Nov 06, 2007
10:37 AM
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Thank you Richard J star there it is
Last Edited by on Nov 06, 2007 10:58 AM
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Gregg
235 posts
Nov 06, 2007
2:36 PM
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Jay,
We are on the same page. I did not say that it defies gravity. Anyone that has seen the video of these birds in action knows full well that once a bird hits a certain rate of revolution, any improvement on same is not discernable to the human eye. It will drop, just not with the same rate of fall that the average bird displays. I know I'm opening a can of worms, but as I said above, it is to some degree the illusion.
Varying light conditions, the color of the bird, the experience of the fancier, the fancier's eyesight all come into play. That is why it cannot be judged based on a one time observance.
The other aspect of this you have already covered. Any bird of this caliber belongs in the breeding loft to improve the overall quality therein.
Gregg.
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
38 posts
Nov 06, 2007
3:29 PM
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Whould you guys say a bigger roller drops faster than a verry small roller?
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Hector Coya
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155
63 posts
Nov 06, 2007
3:45 PM
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sup. a hector did you bred a blue grizzle cock o6 nbrc#2006???
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Fire Brewed Rollers
15 posts
Nov 06, 2007
4:36 PM
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When I watch the birds they all drop at the same speed, where you get the difference in it is that some birds start going up just before they roll. The bird that is going up appears to hang there for a longer time before the drop.
The speed is when you see the bird from the side and the bird doing a nice donut turns to a blur than you got the real speed.
Just my opinion as I have a little hill and get to see a lot from the side.
Robert Miller
Fire Brewed Rollers
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3757
218 posts
Nov 06, 2007
9:38 PM
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I like birds that are high velocity (25-30') spinners with the appearance of a small ball and a whole in the side when visible at the correct angle. Tight kitting is a must even though birds must be judged on their individual merit. When we discuss individual performance we are talking about judging the pigeon that stands out the most in a kit. I do not care if it was Monty's world cup team or whomever there is a bird in that kit that stands out above everyone else in terms of speed, style, frequency etc. There has to be and that is the pigeon that a person will really keep their eyes on. That is individual performance within a working team.
Last Edited by on Nov 06, 2007 9:42 PM
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