nicksiders
2423 posts
Nov 06, 2007
9:57 AM
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For competition flyers: What do you do with your exceptionally deep rollers? I am talking about your birds who often do 50 footers and more. Do you put them on your varsity team and fly them in competition or do you have them in a for fun kit?
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BigRiverRollerLofts
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quickspin
46 posts
Nov 06, 2007
10:26 AM
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I just split my pair that throw me a deep bird. I love deep birds but for competition I think is not helpful. You can have it on your kit when you fly them but not for comp day. I only been breeding birds in the 15' to 25' right now and still get some deep ones.
My deep bird kits perfect but if I have two birds out no points. This bird takes a little longer to get back to the kit and is frequent. I like to see him on the kit but I have to be carful with him. This is out of my 1220 line with a Guil Rand hen.
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tapp
455 posts
Nov 06, 2007
10:29 AM
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Nick I have given my dad a few over the past three years. I'm going to start keeping them to just fly for the fun. They are usually non kitters or always out do to depth. Plus it's like haveing food in the freezer! Also i've been thinking of keeping them and put one in a kit as long as it doen't bother there performance. Hopefully a hawks snag it instead of one of my 30fters. They are always lagging behin, and that seems to be the one the hawks home in on! Maybe saveing a good birds life.In some one's else's loft it maybe a good one!
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Tapp
Last Edited by on Nov 06, 2007 10:41 AM
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Donny James
79 posts
Nov 06, 2007
7:40 PM
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hay nick,
30 feet is deep for me any thing more then that ain't with keeping in my loft there get looser as they spin deeper donny james
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Missouri-Flyer
899 posts
Nov 07, 2007
9:44 AM
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Nick,
I currently have 4 such birds that until recently were in my older kit. I replaced them with 4 birds that were in the 15' to 20' range, and placed the deeper 4 into the B team. Those are the birds that will never make it into comp at my house..Just to deep to get enough breaks, because they are working so hard to get back to the kit, that they are not as frequent as the 20' birds.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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MILO
802 posts
Nov 07, 2007
9:52 AM
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My highest quality spinners are not the deepest. I lean toward fast birds, I can't imagine my rollers spinning deeper than 40+ and be able to do what is expected of them for 20 minutes. That's asking a lot from a bird...LOL
c
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W@yne
736 posts
Nov 07, 2007
10:44 AM
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I personally love to see deep rollers doing their stuff there's nothing better but not at my place.
I don't want anything deeper than 35 foot if i get the occasional deep bird it wont stay at my loft unless its needed in the stock loft department for other reasons than just the depth.
I strive and try to get all my birds rolling at similar depths around 25 to 35 foot mark.
Donny you said deep birds loose quality in the roll.
I can agree to a certain extent some do some don't. I have birds that have started the roll only to tighten and roll faster as the bird gets deeper.
You all know that a deep kit ie 60ft cannot be as frequent has a 30 foot kit its not rocket science to know the return rate of a 30 foot kit will be quicker than a 60 foot kit back too the kit. Depth score in competition will not outdo the point score of a very frequent kit. Its sad really but its reality.
Competition now usually ends up with the kit with the most breaks wins which is very sad really.
Its getting to now a good active kit of tumblers wins a competitions.
What a state this roller game is getting in.
JMHO
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Gregg
241 posts
Nov 07, 2007
11:17 AM
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Wayne,
Only if we let it. Don't score birds that lack quality and don't tell judges that do "what a wonderful job their doing".
Everyone is too darn worried about the persons feelings. How is he going to know better if everyone tells him what a wonderful job he did. I am always looking for ways to improve my birds. I am also always looking for ways to improve my judging. Walking around thinking you know it all is only self serving. I prefer people who say it honestly. You don't have to be ignorant about it, but you do have to make sure that people do not go around with misguided ideas, especially when it comes to judging.
Gregg.
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W@yne
737 posts
Nov 07, 2007
11:38 AM
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Greg
Thanks for the quick response and you are 100% correct Greg. But look at this years World cup for example everyone was saying what a good guy Brian was and he sure was i met him myself a great guy but good guys don't make good judges. I stood at the side of Brian when he was judging he scored anything that moved.
What i am saying is judges need to be trained up to a standard by the old guys before judging major flys or whats the point of all the time and effort.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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tapp
462 posts
Nov 07, 2007
4:40 PM
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Good post Gregg, Wayne!!!
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Tapp
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