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CSRA
442 posts
Nov 12, 2007
12:02 PM
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Picking from the ground or in the air what works for you and why?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1851 posts
Nov 12, 2007
12:37 PM
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Hello, I pick from the air primarily.
This is a system I developed and apply toward breeding the Ideal Birmingham Roller as I understand it, I call this approach the Primary Trait Breeding System.
It is based on 5 key traits and characteristics that I believe are critical to breeding toward and maintaining the Ideal Birmingham Roller. The traits are listed in their order of importance:
Primary Trait 1: Roll
Primary Trait 2: Velocity
Primary Trait 3: Depth
Primary Trait 4: Control
Primary Trait 5: Type
Obviously there are other factors to consider: kitting ability, frequency, concert performance, etc, but for the purpose of ideal rolling performance, the 5 Primary Traits are those factors that I believe will systematically get us there.
PT 1 (Roll) The bird has got to enjoy the experience of rolling; after all he is a “roller”. He must not be afraid to snap into and out of a short, medium or deep roll and then slingshot back to the kit.
He is to “possess” the roll, not be “possessed” by it. That desire to roll in this manner is a trait that is most important and one that I want to see maintained in my Ruby Roller strain.
The roll must also be of good quality. I look for the “H” style and consider it to be the minimum quality of a better than average roller.
The Ruby Roller must be able to “snap-crackle-pop” into and out of the roll and do its best to get back to the kit and work itself into position to do it again, once or twice a minute is preferred.
PT 2 (Velocity) My best-handpicked stock birds are selected for their ability to perform the roll in a manner that appears like a spinning ball falling from the sky. Velocity is another key characteristic that separates good rollers from average rollers.
Only Ruby's that show proper velocity in the roll stand the best chance at making it as breeding stock.
PT 3 (Depth) I like to breed Ruby's with the ability to roll and maintain quality for a considerable distance of at least 20’ to 30’ and with the mental and physical strength to hold it together while showing quality the entire time.
The Ruby Roller gene-pool can show a wide variety of rolling depths from 10’ on up to 30’ and more!
PT 4 (Control) The ability to control the urge to roll at will or turn it off, especially when coming in to land thus avoiding roll-down accidents. Ruby's are bred for stability in the air, especially when coming in to land, they are not prone to roll 30’ when they are only 20’ high over the kit box!
With good selections early on in my breeding program, I pretty much eliminated any concern over hot birds rolling down.
Even with enhancing the control of my family, I still breed and train for frequent 20’ to 30’ rolling and concert performance, there is nothing like the sight of a bunch of good rollers when they all bust together and attain separation from the kit.
PT 5 (Type) It is my view that a properly balanced bird is able to focus its energy on rolling with velocity and quality, not burning and wasting energy on overcoming its physical imbalance. A Ruby must have strong chest muscle, tight and smooth feathering, a tail hinge that should bend up and past 90 degrees in the better spinners and be of a small to medium size.
It will have an overall “cobby” or short appearance (but not too short) and not be too long. It will stand tall and be full of energy and attitude.
Along with “Type”, I value “temperament”, its sense of energy and awareness of surroundings. I like an overall look and disposition that reflects a calm and confident bird while on the perch.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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3757
237 posts
Nov 12, 2007
2:53 PM
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Steve - Since Tony has covered most I will add this. You start in the air but you must select correct Phenotype on the ground. This includes feather, muscle / Strength (back muscle is very important), eye etc. A bird should be well balanced for the stock loft after the aerial qualities have been established.
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gotspin7
419 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:03 PM
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It is all about balance! They got to roll rigth and look right and be right, rignt!LOL
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CSRA
1533 posts
May 14, 2008
10:37 PM
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3757 i agree with you and gotspin and Tony balance is the key
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smoke747
1125 posts
May 15, 2008
1:54 AM
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From the air I like the birds that go on all the breaks and roll from the front and middle of the kit, never give me kitting problems, are stable, fast rollers or smooth spinners with little effort, good homing instinct,excellent style a must, and with good temperament.
On the ground, medium strenght back and breast muscles, nice apple body, short to med wing lenght, narrow flights with sharp secondaries, tight in the tail(appear as 1 feather), good head shape, tight feathers, medium to sm med in size with good balance
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
Last Edited by on May 15, 2008 1:54 AM
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WaTtS UpP
793 posts
May 15, 2008
8:53 PM
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damn keith you sound like a doctor ahahal.........lol
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Watts uppp homeboy
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Donny James
380 posts
May 15, 2008
9:51 PM
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i have to agree with tony, tony brought out some very good points..............donny james
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