Oldfart
226 posts
Nov 12, 2007
2:56 PM
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Hey All, What are the indicators you use to determine the sex of young birds. Excluding the laying of eggs of course!!! ;-)
Thom
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pat66
30 posts
Nov 12, 2007
3:39 PM
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I use a magnet,accurate 90% of the time. Pat
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Tony Chavarria
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1852 posts
Nov 12, 2007
3:43 PM
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Well one method would be sexed-linked factors like the black ticking in an Ash Red bird carrying Blue indicating it is a male.
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Last Edited by on Nov 12, 2007 3:46 PM
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gotspin7
417 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:00 PM
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agreed Tony!
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Electric-man
834 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:24 PM
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When I heard this one from Kelly, I thought it to be a joke, but I'm having pretty good percentages at this!
Check the poop chute when their about a week old, hold the bird right side up, if you are seeing a smile, its should to be a cock, a frown, and it should be a hen!
Anyone else tried this? I'm hitting at least 80% acuracy with this method! I'm gonna keep testing this idea till something better comes up!
Alright, the heckling can begin!
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Val
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1853 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:29 PM
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Okay Val, that "smile" is that little birdie waiting for you to come in reaaaaaal close and then SPLAT! LOL
Never tried this method. I have heard others say that it works.
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Electric-man
835 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:30 PM
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Yes, it can be risky!!!! LOL
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Val
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
434 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:32 PM
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Eldon C...Told me about that Val but i never have tried it....lol
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gotspin7
427 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:34 PM
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LOL!
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
436 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:40 PM
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Zuppppppppppppppp Spinnnnnn
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gotspin7
429 posts
Nov 12, 2007
4:50 PM
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aqui descansando un poco! I tu Rudy Whats up?? trying to bird out!LOL
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Oldfart
228 posts
Nov 12, 2007
5:17 PM
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Hey All, Tony, I have a very nice hen with the ticking, and by the by, it's one of yours. :-) Val, I tried the smile thing, maby I just didn't get close enough!! Magnets, how does that work Pat? Pensom, indicated head shape, keel length, and feather quality. I can't seem to tell much difference in the very young. Have the birds evolved since his time or am I just to dumb to be able to see the difference? I appreciate the input, thanks all!!!
Thom
Last Edited by on Nov 12, 2007 5:18 PM
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Double R
161 posts
Nov 13, 2007
3:49 AM
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Hey Guys,
Try this and see what you think. Tie a paper clip to a piece of string about 4 inches long. Holding the string by the end and as still as possible dangle the paper clip about 1/4 to a half inch above your birds lower back. If the paper clip swings back and forth it's Male, in a circle it's Female. Try it!!
Try it on the inside of your wrist and your wife's wrist it does work.
Robby
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1857 posts
Nov 13, 2007
4:24 AM
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Hey Thom, now that is very interesting about a hen having the black ticking. Now don't be confused between "black" ticking and what sometimes are small "greyish" or tiny "smudge" type markings that can be confused for black ticking in a hen.
I have hatched well over 2000 birds from this family and have never actually had an Ash Red hen with black ticking.
However, saying that, last year I would have never believed that the Ruby Rollers could have a solid black self, well they did and since then I have produced less than a half dozen! I suppose anything is possible! lol
If you could provide me the band number of the parents, I would be very interested to know what Ruby pair is capable of producing a hen with black ticking.
I know that Frank Mosca (bluebar) might have a genetic reason why an Ash Red hen carrying blue would display black ticking.
I am curious because I use this as a 100% marker to know if a bird I ship out to a customer is a cock.
Thom, might you provide a picture of this bird? I am really curious! LOL
Thanks!!
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bman
491 posts
Nov 13, 2007
4:41 AM
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Probably need Greg to jump in here,but an ash red hen can't "carry" blue......what you see is what you get (red)
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Tony Chavarria
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1858 posts
Nov 13, 2007
5:00 AM
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Hey Ron, I guess I should have said "an AR hen with Blue in the background". Thanks for correction.
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bman
492 posts
Nov 13, 2007
5:47 AM
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Didn't mean to sound like a school teacher.lol
Tom's hen either just appears to have flecking or it is a cock bird......maybe with issues.lol
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Santandercol
1619 posts
Nov 13, 2007
6:29 AM
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Another method(never tried it with real young birds still in the nest but seems accurate with birds already flying)is to feel the vent with your finger.The vent on hens is generally larger than with cocks.
BTW,what do I need to do to be taken seriously around here???LOL!!!
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Kelly
Last Edited by on Nov 13, 2007 6:31 AM
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Missouri-Flyer
920 posts
Nov 13, 2007
6:48 AM
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Kel,
Not sure about the "finger" method that you are using!... I think that there are safer, more easy ways to find out...Maybe not as satisfying tho..LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
446 posts
Nov 13, 2007
6:52 AM
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I heard about the smile and the frown lol
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Santandercol
1623 posts
Nov 13, 2007
6:55 AM
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C'mon Jer,,,I'm not like that!!You don't need to stick it right in there.
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Kelly
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Missouri-Flyer
921 posts
Nov 13, 2007
6:57 AM
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LMAO,
K Kel...I thought you were a straight shooter, but just making sure...LOL
all a joke bro.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Oldfart
230 posts
Nov 13, 2007
8:28 AM
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Hey All, Tony, I had never heard the term smudge before. Looking at the marks I am seeing using that term seems more appropiate then ticking. I am posting several views so you can see what I am talking about. Her band no is RUBY-MO-06-202.
Thom
Last Edited by on Nov 13, 2007 8:32 AM
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Oldfart
231 posts
Nov 13, 2007
9:21 AM
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Robby, I tried the string and paperclip and it sure seems to work. I let my wife hold the string and I held the bird.
That way she could not unconsciously influnence the out come as she did not know which bird was a cock or hen.
Thanks, Thom
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1859 posts
Nov 13, 2007
10:32 AM
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Hey Thom, good photog work! That's exactly what I was talking about. That bird is a hen.
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Oldfart
232 posts
Nov 13, 2007
11:39 AM
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Hey Tony, There was never a question about this hen. I have eight of her young flying now. My question or comment was about the marks that look ticking but are most likely smudges. I was not aware of the difference until now. What of any other colored bird, how do you tell the sexes then?
Thanks, Thom
Last Edited by on Nov 13, 2007 11:41 AM
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pat66
33 posts
Nov 13, 2007
4:13 PM
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Hey Thorn,it works the same way as Double R mentioned with the string and paper clip, I use amagnet instead, a oldtimer taught me that one and I had pretty good luck with it! Pat
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