poacher
1 post
Nov 17, 2007
2:21 PM
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hello boys anybody out there seen a good kit of yellow rollers in action. they say yellows cannot perform
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Donny James
112 posts
Nov 17, 2007
8:39 PM
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hay poacher i haven't never will and yellow can't spin/roll either .................donny james
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crystalpalace
185 posts
Nov 17, 2007
10:02 PM
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Bob Evans living in the bay area of California and Elmer Smith from central California bred and flew yellow Rollers. The ash colored yellow were bred for many years within the Elmer Smith family. Elmer bred his ash red to his ash yellow exclusively. The ash red were the best performers in his stud thefore it helped in breeding better yellows. Elmer bred one of the most frequent stud of Rollers ever bred in the USA and his yellows were a delight to see perform. I met Elmer Smith while attending grammar school in the early nineteen fourtees. In nineteen seventy seven Elmer bought a stud of red recessive and yellow recessive Rolleers. All of his original Rollers were small and medium in size whereas the new stud were larger. Elmer mated the two families after a few years and ash yellow were bred to recessive yellow. The depth was medium and they were ex-wing in style with decent velosity. Bob Evans was another breeder that was famous for having a great stud of yellow rollers. The size of his yellow rollers looked larger compared to Elmer Smiths family. Recently an old time fancier said he saw Bob Evans fly his yellow rollers and was impressed. I have a small stud of yellow that were flown in California that caught the attention of some fanciers. They are still being bred and flown in Missouri. Sonny Ray
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crystalpalace
186 posts
Nov 17, 2007
10:07 PM
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Chan Grover bred and flew the Bob Evans family of yellow rollers for many years. I saw some good performance from his birds too. Sonny Ray
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W@yne
769 posts
Nov 18, 2007
12:09 AM
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I have never seen a yellow with the full package.
I have seen yellows roll very good but lack frequency.
Ive seen yellows frequent that lack quality I have yet to see the perfect yellow kit of pigeons or individual roller and i don't think i ever will.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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spinner jim
196 posts
Nov 18, 2007
3:22 AM
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Wayne,a good friend of mine ,Steve Hanman of gloucester flew kits of yellows (badges)and they were first class,he crossed over to racers and has won quite a lot of races,he is now putting together another kit of badges to get back into the roller scene,he has been a pigeon fancier for well over forty years and well known around here and the midlands,but his yellows were fabulous spinners,they all originated from brum and he continually bred from the best,i dont know if he can trace any of his old strain its been a few years since he changed over,but i will say his yellows ,kit wise would give a good account of themselves in any competition,jim.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1154 posts
Nov 18, 2007
3:44 AM
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I have raised some good individual yellows but to have a whole kit of them I don't think it will ever happen for me.I have some yellow mottles that are doing good that are from a Red Check Cock and a Yellow Mottle Hen.It would take a lot of work to get a kit of them.David
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W@yne
771 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:30 AM
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Jim
Your friend may have flown a good kit of yellow badges i emphasise the name (BADGES)
Jim (BADGES) are a totally a diffrent bird than a Birmingham Roller the genetics are so much apart so i cant comment on your friends yellow badges.
But to get a kit of quality yellows i still think this task is near impossible here in the UK.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 5:33 AM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
487 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:30 AM
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Anybody have pics of yellow rollers.....????????
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gotspin7
474 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:07 AM
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I had some as a kid and they were pretty good!Victorio Gutierrez in South Gate Ca. had a bunh of them!
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 6:07 AM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
239 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:17 AM
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Rudy, I'll ask Richard Reyes to post some pic's of his yellows that he air tested that "spun". I bred and seen yellows at other hobbist yellows that had spin. I dont necessarlly bred for this color but if I do ,the focous will be for them to spin. Ihave I seen YELLOWS (mottles)that rolled-or spinned-----YES.
R-LUNA
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spanky
95 posts
Nov 18, 2007
9:49 AM
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WELL I ONE'S SEEN A YELLOW COCK BIRD ROLLING REAL NICE.
NICE AND DEEP AT RABERT PELHAM'S HOUSE.
SPANKY
S.G.V.S
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gotspin7
487 posts
Nov 18, 2007
9:59 AM
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Spanky, is Robert Pelham still flying birds?
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spanky
96 posts
Nov 18, 2007
10:02 AM
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THE BOP IS ALWAYS ON HIS BIRDS. BUT DID HE EVER SHOW YOU THE YELLOW.
SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 10:04 AM
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spanky
97 posts
Nov 18, 2007
10:04 AM
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GOTSPIN7
WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
SPANKY
SGVS
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gotspin7
489 posts
Nov 18, 2007
10:05 AM
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Spanky, a few years back I think in 99 we were in the same club I beleive it was IERC, and he flew a few times with us and then had some personal stuff going on, I taught he had got out of the birds! He had some real nice Rat Terriers!
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spanky
98 posts
Nov 18, 2007
10:15 AM
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HEY GOTSPIN7 YOU GOT ME CONFUSED. BACK IN 99 I WAS STILL IN VACATION. SO WHERE YOU FROM.
SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Nov 21, 2007 4:50 PM
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gotspin7
490 posts
Nov 18, 2007
10:32 AM
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Spanky, I apologize it was 02-03, wrong club had go look at my old records! I am originally from Watts, purchased a home in Ontario Ca. in 98 and lived there till 04 moved to Arkansas! In 02-04 flew with CPRC and IERC, I beleive Charlie Sierra started IERC in 01
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 10:34 AM
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Steve_uk
274 posts
Nov 18, 2007
10:38 AM
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I'm yet to see a good kit of yellows ive only ever seen 1 good yellow roller and that was at Mark Cranneys in bradford it was a Average roller but lacked frequancy.
Steve0...
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Ally Mac
195 posts
Nov 18, 2007
12:24 PM
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Dave Moseley was telling me every so often his breeders throw a yellow but none have ever ammounted to anything.
Al.
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gator45juice
8 posts
Nov 18, 2007
12:35 PM
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Anybody ever heard of Keith London in Los Angeles? He has a family of Yellows called the "Smoke Line". "Smoke" as Keith calls it, was a Yellow bird. Keith has produced the best yellows I have seen. I'm talking velocity, quality, frequency, and lots of depth. Furthermore, It outcrosses very nice to other families.
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Mount Airy Lofts
283 posts
Nov 18, 2007
2:53 PM
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From my liminted knowledge, all the good performing yellows originated from the Bob Evan linage of birds. The only ones I know that will perform to any standard in my area and are the best in the air in yellows is flown by a good friend of mine bred down from the stuff Bob Evan sent to MN.
Thor
Yes, yellows can roll.
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donb
23 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:46 PM
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You guys who have never seen a good yellow. Are you talking about Recessive or ash ?? or both
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donb
24 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:50 PM
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how about Duns , silvers or khakis-- Ever seen any good ones in those colors ??
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J_Star
1276 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:51 PM
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Donb, what difference does it make!! Yellow is yellow in color. How about yellow w/f/t or with w/t. Or is that considered Ash!!
I have seen a few that can perform nicely but not too many people have them around me.
Jay
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donb
26 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:59 PM
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If they are talking about all yellows then in reality they are talking about the gene for dilute. that being the case how about other dilutes ?? A good Ash-red or a Good recessive red is not made less of a performer just because it happens to carry the gene for dilute-- if the dilute gene also came from a good performer
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J_Star
1279 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:00 PM
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Very goog Donb. I learned something.
Jay
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elopez
64 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:01 PM
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Hello Gator45juice,
All of my birds come from Keith, boy he has some of the best birds I have ever seen. My brother David has a couple of yellows from him. I have a son off of his Smoke hen and man can they produce...
Smoke was actually a blue check w/f IPB 90 RD 747, Smoke's mom was a yellow.
I've seen his yellows perform as good as any other roller, he gets them (yellows) once in a while but none of his current breeders are yellows...
Efren
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 6:31 PM
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donb
27 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:04 PM
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Efren-- what colors are the parents to those yellows ??
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Ballrollers
952 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:05 PM
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I think Don's point is that since yellows are dilute reds, the postulate that dilutes cannot perform, must also apply to the dilute of blue or black...dun or khaki. I have seen many dilutes perform with depth, quality, speed and work rate equal to any other....just not as many. At the NBRC Convention, a dilut blue bar, a dun bar, was selected as the best performing bird in the Futurity Kit by a panel of three judges, Randy Gibson, Scott Campbell, and Brent Martindale. I think we have to avoid such sweeping generalizations in this sport. Anytime you hear one made, I promise you, someone with a different experience in the sport can prove it wrong!
YITS,
Cliff
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donb
28 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:10 PM
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That's right Cliff. I was just trying to slip in the bacd door to give some food for thought .
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elopez
65 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:38 PM
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Don,
The parents were Ash Red Ch and Blk w/f beard. I have a full sister to my brothers cream and it's a dilute dun check.
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spanky
99 posts
Nov 18, 2007
7:16 PM
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gotspin no problem. charlie siera is in my club. and also flew with the cprc and ierc.
SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 7:18 PM
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richard.r
53 posts
Nov 18, 2007
8:29 PM
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This hen you guy's was a 1 sec, spinner the R.P.M.'S were there 5' to 10' ball spin, R.Luna stuff. I breed her came in early 4 month's 10 month's stocked. 2004
"The knock Out Strain"
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 6:38 AM
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gotspin7
495 posts
Nov 19, 2007
4:30 AM
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Spanky, tell Charlie I said what up! Does Charlie still have the old pensom's? Spanky do you know Santos and Hector Moreno are they still flying birds?
Richard, Que onda hermano! Question what do those yellows go back to? I think Jack Claig had some as well right? Do you have better rollers with the mottles or does it matter? Richard had mentioned the mottles that is the reason for my question!
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 4:33 AM
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richard.r
55 posts
Nov 19, 2007
6:38 AM
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Sal unfortunate the yellows that i breed, some mottles, some bagdes or selfs. The bop prefer them also some are a little hot but mostly there sound performers R.Luna stuff with some Red Devil stuff from Sal, Estrada that i started with in 2002, on back to R.Luna line.
"The Knock Out Strain"
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 6:42 AM
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spanky
102 posts
Nov 19, 2007
8:31 PM
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was up GOTSPIN i dont know those guy's. i'll tell charlie.
whats ur name,
SPANKY
SGVS
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3757
269 posts
Nov 19, 2007
8:53 PM
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Doug Thorley had some yellows that could spin with high velocity. I have to admit that these birds were fast. I would not doubt that old man Feral's birds were related to these as Richard Luna's yellows do spin also. In Doug Thorley's record book there are tons of yellows listed.
Got spin - Charlie has maintained the Pensom line from Eldon McDowell and Bob Scott for close to 40 years and still has an excellent family.
Spanky - Have a wonderful thanksgiving!
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 8:56 PM
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jim
32 posts
Nov 19, 2007
9:47 PM
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Hi
If u get a yellow with Check patten thy do performing faster. The yellows u see is frome the Ken White family.
Jim
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 9:49 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1882 posts
Nov 19, 2007
10:01 PM
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Hey Cliff, was that the day when the winds were pretty good and the birds never really got up? At least that's what I was led to believe from one of the judges...lol, just giving you a hard time.
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gotspin7
507 posts
Nov 20, 2007
4:16 AM
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Richard, thank you!
Spanky, thank you!
3757, I know he has the Ellis and Bob birds! I was wondering if he still had them because he started playing with some of Hector Morenos birds at that time.
List!HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
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3757
271 posts
Nov 20, 2007
4:51 AM
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Gotspin - You must be speaking of another Charlie because Charlie S. only has the Eldon McDowell and Bob Scott birds that he has worked with since the sixties. He also owned, at one time, many birds that were bred by Bill Pensom.
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gotspin7
510 posts
Nov 20, 2007
4:58 AM
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Charlie Sierra, that used to work at the Pomona Feed Store that is the Charlie I am talking about! Laron he was just flying the birds I do not think he bred out of them, He picked up a kit from Hector, that is the reason why I said he was just playing with them, Laron, I have not been out there for a while and when I do go back out there I just go visit Steve Smith! Just trying to keep up, LOL!
Last Edited by on Nov 20, 2007 5:13 AM
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3757
272 posts
Nov 20, 2007
5:34 AM
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Gotspin - Thanks for the update. This is the wrong fellow. My friends last name is Saldana.
Last Edited by on Nov 20, 2007 5:35 AM
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J_Star
1297 posts
Nov 20, 2007
6:40 PM
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Since we are talking about yellows, how about White self rollers!! Do you guys have any great success with them since I hear others say that whites are for weddings while (Moderated). I know that is not the way it is but you know how others look at some color rollers.
Jay
Last Edited by on Nov 21, 2007 7:12 AM
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gotspin7
517 posts
Nov 21, 2007
5:33 AM
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3757, you got it! I flew with this other Charlie for a couple of years! Laron, I does Charlie Saldana still have birds? I hear his name a lot!
Jstar, I think Charlie also made a family of just white birds out of his Ellis birds! Spanky probably can correct me on that if I am wrong! They looked pretty! Jstar on the yellow comment, LMAO!!
Last Edited by on Nov 21, 2007 6:49 AM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
255 posts
Nov 21, 2007
7:01 AM
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JSTAR, it is funny to hear that about yellows and whites. I cant say it's said of ignorance, but of being(let me say it in a nice way)DUNCE. When Arnold Jackson flew the California Classic the third place and the forth place(by the way was to be the winner),yes a yellow ,the forth was out of a white and yellow. When Doug and Randy flew the California Classic ,the forth place was out of dilute and the sixth place ,on both sides of her parents, guess what, yes they were yellow on one side each.
What a trip, huh.
R-LUNA
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J_Star
1301 posts
Nov 21, 2007
7:16 AM
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The reason I am asking about the white selves is because I am starting a side family of mine of just white selves. In two years, I have not culled even one because of their excellent performance and have not lost one to BOP or overfly or just because of being young. The family starts rolling a bit later than my others, at about 7 months but they are at the 25 to 30’ range and H pattern. So far I have a half a kit and I call this side of the family “The Wedding Bells”.
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
256 posts
Nov 21, 2007
7:41 AM
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JSTAR, it sounds real good .I wish you the BEST and GOOD LUCK.I'd like to know how your doing with this line as you go along ,if that;s cool,
R-LUNA
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
63 posts
Nov 21, 2007
10:14 AM
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La Ron
Charly Saldan still has his birds i talk to him often .
his birds are realy nice.
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Hector Coya
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