Skylineloft
380 posts
Nov 18, 2007
2:07 PM
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I thought I would share a couple of stock birds that I have.
I showed these birds at our club function yesterday.
Just a small group of us, (private club show).
Black self hen. Took 2nd place, old hen.
Red check self cock. Took first place, young cock.
Res red self cock. Took 2nd place, old cock.
Res red self cock. Took 1st place & best of show. old cock.
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Ray
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Mount Airy Lofts
282 posts
Nov 18, 2007
2:27 PM
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Ray,
Would you consider your birds to have alot of back skull? How do they perform? Nice photos!!
Thor
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Skylineloft
382 posts
Nov 18, 2007
2:39 PM
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Back skull, thats the first time I ever herd that term. Not quite sure what you mean by that Thor. Do you think you could explain that term in more detail for me ?
As far as the performance goes for the birds, I had a good year. They met and exceeded my expectations as breeders and performance in the air for my first year back in the hobby.
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Ray
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
247 posts
Nov 18, 2007
3:59 PM
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They really look good Ray .. Good expression and type. The black hen is NICE.
I think Thor means a thick neck,(my guess).
R-Luna
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 4:00 PM
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John
74 posts
Nov 18, 2007
4:41 PM
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I also had birds in the club show that Ray is speaking of. Here's some pictures of some of the birds that placed. Hey Ray congratulations on the season win and also the wins you picked yesterday. John
07 Red Mark hen - 1st place young hen.
07 Blue Bar W/flt hen (Neible Blood)- 2nd place young hen
07 White Tick cock ( son of Blue grizzle Cock)- 2nd place young cock.
04 Red Self hen - 3rd place Old hen.
04 Blue Grizzle cock - 3rd place old cock. (father of white tick cock)
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 4:49 PM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
248 posts
Nov 18, 2007
4:49 PM
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John nice birds and pictures. The birds that stand out to me is the 04 blue grizzle cock and the blue bar hen. What are there family history line.
R-LUNA
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 4:50 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
490 posts
Nov 18, 2007
4:51 PM
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Nice birds Ray and John
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John
76 posts
Nov 18, 2007
4:56 PM
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Thanks Rudy.
John
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J_Star
1270 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:04 PM
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John and Ray, Nice looking birds.
John, I have a 04 breeder cock resembles the 04 blue grizzle cock you posted and I have him on a red mottle hen w/f/t. They give me tortes shell offspring that are awesome. They develop at 3 months, way a head of all the youngsters from m y breeding program and they hold it together. Beautiful blue grizzle you have there.
Ray, what is the difference between the two rec reds you have there!!! Is the top picture sports smoky!!
Jay
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Skylineloft
383 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:35 PM
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Thanks John,
I had a great time at your place yesterday.
Congratulations to you as well. I sure did like that blue bar you posted there. She sure felt good in the hand. I wish I could have held more birds there yesterday. I saw allot of birds I liked.
Jay,
Not much difference between the two reds. One is larger then the other, thats about it. I will try to get a photo of them side by side. the lighting made the first one look a bit darker. He does show a little blue in the feather.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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John
77 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:37 PM
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Richard,
All the birds except the Blue bar are out of birds from Steve Agent. The Blue Bar is out birds from Monty Neible.
Jay,
Thanks, that blue grizzle is great producer as well.His father is the big unit one of steve main cocks.
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J_Star
1274 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:39 PM
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Are you sure Ray!! I think the darker one might be indigo!! I am not a genatic guru. Maybe Greg can chime in.
Jay
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John
79 posts
Nov 18, 2007
5:56 PM
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Thanks Ray, you are welcome to stop by any time. Then you can really check out some of the birds.
John
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Skylineloft
384 posts
Nov 18, 2007
6:03 PM
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Funny Jay,
One more breeder hiding exotic colors in his family of birds is busted.
Not Guilty.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 6:07 PM
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PR_rollers
81 posts
Nov 18, 2007
7:23 PM
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congrats Ray and John nice birds i like that Res red self cock. Took 2nd place, old cock and John that blue ,Monty's nice really nice.
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Ralph....
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tapp
476 posts
Nov 18, 2007
7:43 PM
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Nice birds Ray, John, I have some Weins blue bars like your Neible John. I really like the 04 Blue grizzle cock alot!!!!----------
Tapp
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Donny James
115 posts
Nov 18, 2007
8:02 PM
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hay ray and john i want to wish you guys all the best with your birds and you guys have some very nice looking ones to..........donny james
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richard.r
54 posts
Nov 18, 2007
8:46 PM
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Good looking birds you guy's
"The Knock Out Strain"
Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2007 8:46 PM
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ICEMAN710
38 posts
Nov 18, 2007
11:58 PM
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great looking birds ray. I love the recessive reds!
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gotspin7
493 posts
Nov 19, 2007
4:15 AM
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Ray, real winners! Ray what side of Johnnies family are you currently working with?
John, I really like the blue bar hen and the blue grizzle cock bird! Congrats to both of you!!
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Skylineloft
385 posts
Nov 19, 2007
7:49 AM
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GotSpin,
I have been out of the hobby since early 2000 so it is taking me a little time to get reacquainted with what im breeding from. Many of the old numbers I see on the pedigrees I remember well. Some of them go back to my old family of birds. But all in all, from what I can tell, they all go back to just a few birds.
I am currently working with nothing but Johnny's birds and one Higgin's cock.
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Ray
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big al
250 posts
Nov 19, 2007
9:53 AM
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Skyline, the black self hen is balanced nice from the photo. I like her. How was she in the air?
Hi John, I wish the blue bar was standing where I could really get a good look but I like that one from what I can see. How does it feel in the hand and did you fly it out?
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See you in the roll!
Allen Strother (Big Al)
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Skylineloft
386 posts
Nov 19, 2007
3:22 PM
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Thanks Al,
The 1st and 3rd bird that was posted I put away as squeakers. Never flown.
I will get a chance to breed out of them this coming year.
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Ray
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"One Roller At A Time".
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spanky
101 posts
Nov 19, 2007
4:28 PM
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NICE BIRDS, RAY & JOHN, CONGRATS.
SPANKY
SGVS
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3757
268 posts
Nov 19, 2007
5:47 PM
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Ray - Nice birds!
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Gregg
283 posts
Nov 19, 2007
6:27 PM
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Jay,
The first one is smoky, it tends to darken the head and neck region while lightening the beak and wattle. The second one is also undergrizzle which gives that lighter flight and tail. I don't remember now whether it is an old bird or a young bird. Irregardless, undergrizzle will become almost unnoticeable in a heterozygous Ug bird after the moult and will darken up to a point not nearly as noticeable on a homozygous Ug. Probably no indigo. Remember, recessive red covers most everything.
Gregg.
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 6:28 PM
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Skylineloft
388 posts
Nov 19, 2007
9:29 PM
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Jay & Gregg,
Just to set the record straight, there is no indigo in this family of birds.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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gotspin7
508 posts
Nov 20, 2007
4:22 AM
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Ray, thank you for your feed back! I really enjoy those reds! You got it there! Have a great Thanksgiving!
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John
80 posts
Nov 20, 2007
8:57 AM
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Big Al,
Nice to here from you. The blue bar feels good in the hand, I believe Ray talked about that in one of the post. The blue bar is the only bird not to be flown in because it's going into a kit that is being given to a friend. He's not going to fly the kit but prove them out in the stock loft.I have flown siblings and they are nice 25' -30' range but the preds. like them also.I flew a cock and a hen team about 2 years ago. only had a few good ones let midway through the season so I stocked a few of the good ones and gave a couple to a friend. Rod has seen a whole of them fly, ask him what he does think about them.
John
Last Edited by on Nov 21, 2007 1:08 AM
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CSRA
498 posts
Nov 20, 2007
12:39 PM
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Those are some awesome pics goodnight Irene
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Mount Airy Lofts
284 posts
Nov 20, 2007
1:47 PM
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I term any bird with a long gated head - bird with back skull. I'm trying to stay away from that type of a head in my family but do breed some every now and then. It makes for a showier head type of Roller. These birds tend to be more mentally strong - equals more stiff performance. On the same topic, for some reason in my area, birds that do well in the flying roller shows are of this type of head. On that note, my birds are all ways one of the first to be eliminated from the cages at our local club meets flying roller shows. Don't know if it is a good thing or bad. Heck if they perform up to grade, it matters little how look like - well kind of. (lol)
Thanks for the reply, good looking birds on the ground... would love to see them in the air some day.
Thor
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Skylineloft
391 posts
Nov 20, 2007
2:36 PM
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Thor,
Thanks for answering my question about back skull.
I think Richard did a good job of describing it as well.
Also, thanks for your advise on what to look for in a bird, (show verses flying). Hopefully I can learn from it and do better in fly competitions next year.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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donnie james
176 posts
Jan 13, 2009
8:37 PM
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hay ray and john very nice looking birds and i want to wish you guys all the best with them...........donny james
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mr.b.j
133 posts
Jan 13, 2009
8:52 PM
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mannnnnn them some nice looking birds!
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MR.BJ USRC
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916fastspinner
72 posts
Jan 15, 2009
1:00 PM
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Very nice looking birds...good luck with them
san
ncrc
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