TRIPP
107 posts
Nov 19, 2007
8:47 AM
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I had a healthy hen just die. Filled the grit and feed and freshwater up Saturday night then Sunday morning she lay dead in the loft floor. I have since treated the whole flock with some probiotics and 3 in one canker mix in their water. The funny thing is that she was eating drinking and flying about that night. Do you guys have any suggestions as to what might have been wrong. This hen has 2 babies in the nest as well will the cock bird take care of them?
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Tripp Grassie
Bird flipper extrodinair!!
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Missouri-Flyer
949 posts
Nov 19, 2007
8:51 AM
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The reason the hen died would be a guess-ta-ma-tion on anyones part. There are numerous reasons: illness, rolled in loft and broke neck, consumed to large a piece of corn and choked..Ok, maybe not the last one..
As far as the cock taking over, yep, they do it all of the time. He will feed them with no issues...Or should anyways!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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quickspin
128 posts
Nov 19, 2007
9:12 AM
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Just to be safe clean the entire loft and spray fly spray to kill spiders' or the insects in the loft.
I leave it for 5-10 minutes or as long as you can then wash it down with water to add the birds back in. I do this ones a month to all my lofts and also to my individual breeding departments and has not harm my birds. Just make sure you wash it down completely before adding the birds back. I have done it with young 2 week old offspring and has not harm them. The one I have use is Country Vet, Fly Spray works the best for me. I also spray my birds to keep them clean last them for 1 month.
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J_Star
1281 posts
Nov 19, 2007
10:27 AM
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It the youngs are about the age where the hen would lay again, it most likely was eggbound and died of that.
Or
Paratyphoid (Salmonellosis) Made Simple
By Jay Alnimer (J_Star) 2007
Paratyphoid or Salmonella infection tends to stay hidden until the birds are stressed. Reproduction is the usual stress which triggers the clinical infections. There are other bacteria which can mimic the disease but they make the birds sick much less frequently.
Paratyphoid is common in breeding cocks which can become sick and die very quickly. The cock is fine one day and dead the next with no apparent reason or an obvious clue to the fancier.
Paratyphoid is spread by:
1. Inhalation of dust containing the pathogen.
2. Contaminated feed (insects, mice and rats).
3. Dirty feed troughs and water bowls.
4. Mating.
5. Transmission from the hen to the egg.
6. Feeding the nestlings with infected crop milk and billing.
7. Chronic carriers, which are pigeons that appear healthy after surviving salmonella infection, but shed the pathogen at irregular intervals and thus pose a risk to the current flock and their progeny.
Jay
Last Edited by on Nov 19, 2007 10:31 AM
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J_Star
1282 posts
Nov 19, 2007
8:16 PM
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You want to do me!!! Shame on you. What kind of language is that!!! Just kidding...
Here is the bottom of the article for treatment suggestion:
Symptoms of the disease:
Acute form which affects young pigeons: Enteritis with pulpy, mucoid, greenish droppings; once organs (liver, kidneys, spleen) have become infected, there is growth retardation, emaciation and death. Embryos infected with salmonellae frequently die in ovo or during the first few days of life.
Chronic form which affects the adult pigeons are including but not limited to inflammation that causes a thickening of the joints, especially the elbow joints, wing or leg lameness, disorders of balance and torsion of the neck. Difficulty in eating or digesting, mainly water filled crop, won’t fly up to perches. Old birds demonstrate dropped wings, swollen foot (usually left foot), hens become barren and eggs fail to hatch.
There are many and varied symptoms which cause confusion among fanciers for treatment but the birds appear to be ailing in different ways. Fanciers often confuse this disease with PMV due to the symptoms.
Treatment:
Treatment consists of the use of certain antibiotics, preferably one to which the particular strain of bacteria has been show to be susceptible to. When “shooting from the hop” use antibiotics which have a higher degree of success such as Baytril, Saraflox, Cephalexin and Amoxicillin. When the birds are not producing eggs or feeding young, use Baytril. If you treat while they are in reproduction, the best choice is Amoxicillin. Treat for ten days, no less and no longer. Treatment success can be improved when the birds are vaccinated with SalBac while on the antibiotic. Do not vaccinate when the birds are setting eggs or feeding young as they will neglect their duties because of feeling so badly from the vaccine.
However, some cured birds may remain as future carriers. Therefore, the problem may continue until all carriers are lost or destroyed. When this illness is diagnosed, it is better to consult with a vet.
Jay
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birdman
440 posts
Nov 19, 2007
9:11 PM
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Tripp,
Some birds are better feeders than others and you have to keep an eye on those birds that are constantly pumping their youngsters.
When I see that one of the parents is feeding to the point of exhaustion I separate the bird for a day or so and let it rest and regain its strength. During this time the other parent usually doesn't have a problem feeding the young on its own.
When the parent birds are showing signs of getting weary from raising young they are also more succeptible to getting sick and need a break. If I do get a sick parent I usually treat with amoxicillin in the water for a week or so followed by good gut bacteria.
Russ
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TRIPP
109 posts
Nov 20, 2007
6:25 AM
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Well the babies died sometime yesterday???
So I have cleaned the loft and disinfected the nest box
and closed it down for awhile and treated the whole flock and I am also keeping a close eye on all of them..
I also got some good news got someone into the hobby he is comming up to pick up 3 young birds today so that is always positive huh?
To clear up any misperciption from my earlier posts I do not want to do anyone! OOPS
Thanks for all the help and great information!!
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Tripp Grassie
Bird flipper extrodinair!!
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J_Star
1284 posts
Nov 20, 2007
8:49 AM
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If I were you I will delay the transfer of birds until the 10 days passed for the medication to take affect. It would be a wise decision to make.
For best results, always treat your birds with Amoxicillin for 10 days before the breeding season. You will be glad you have. I have two types of antibiotic which I alternate when I use them to eliminate the possibility of the bacteria becoming immune to any one of them.
Jay
Last Edited by on Nov 20, 2007 8:54 AM
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TRIPP
112 posts
Nov 20, 2007
9:03 AM
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Alright then not a problem will let the call and tell him to wait a few days and come and get them thanks
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Tripp Grassie
Bird flipper extrodinair!!
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