GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
272 posts
Nov 26, 2007
9:00 AM
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What is or was your oldest bird or at what ripe age did it breed up to or died.
C.NORWOOD'S ,I believe his #47 lived to 21 years. (I maybe mistaken at that age)
I have a friend that has from the NorWOOD line that is about16- 17yrs,that is still fertile.(OLD MAN BY THE SEA)Fall Guys brother's son
I had one from his line-"Fall Guy " bred till 14-15 years and died also.
I also had a PLATZ washed out tort that also berd for 14 years and died at 16 years.
I currently have 94's and 95's still breeding
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Steve_uk
277 posts
Nov 26, 2007
9:05 AM
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Why would you want to breed from 1994 pigeons surely you should be replacing these birds with better birds.
Steve0...
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
273 posts
Nov 26, 2007
9:10 AM
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Steve why would'nt you if those birds produce spin?. I also keep them around to bring them back in sometime and to maintain their bloodline in my stock.
R-LUNA
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Electric-man
892 posts
Nov 26, 2007
9:12 AM
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I have a pairof Higgins(Gary Stephens bands) that are '97's! Had them about a year now and they have produced 4 rounds! Nothing in the last month or two! The cock is still pushing her hard, but she just ignores him!(Boy,I know that feeling!)LOL
I have been told by different people, that is is unusaul for the hen to make it that long! Are these mostly cock birds that are still producing, or have I been misinformed?
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Val
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Steve_uk
279 posts
Nov 26, 2007
9:14 AM
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Fair comment.
Steve0...
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1921 posts
Nov 26, 2007
9:55 AM
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Steve0 Said:
Why would you want to breed from 1994 pigeons surely you should be replacing these birds with better birds.
Steve0...
Hey Wayne, what if you already had "good birds" to start with back in 1994, how much "better" can they really get so that you would not want or need to use an older bird that produces "good birds"?
For example, if this 1994 bird continues to reproduce young that roll with the right style, velocity, depth, etc, then to my way of thinking it just does not make much sense to dispose of such a quality pigeon.
To no longer use this type of bird seems to me, at least, to imply that there are these huge leaps in quality between generations, I daresay that if you start with good birds, improvements, if any, will be modest at best and more to do with aesthetics than performance.
Would love to get your take on this.
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Last Edited by on Nov 26, 2007 10:34 AM
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W@yne
782 posts
Nov 26, 2007
10:02 AM
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Tony
Once again you are getting me mixed up with Stevo lol.
I ain't said nothing on this subject.
Also i fully agree with you on this lol.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Nov 26, 2007 10:04 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1922 posts
Nov 26, 2007
10:34 AM
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Sorry! lol Fixed it!
Glad we see it the same. ;-)
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quickspin
145 posts
Nov 26, 2007
11:38 AM
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My oldest bird that I have and still producing is a 15 year old cock from 1375 Smith Line.
2nd is 97 hen from Bob Scott still producing.
3rd 99 cock from Norm Reed
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3757
304 posts
Nov 26, 2007
12:05 PM
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I had a hen that Eldon McDowell bred and she lived until she was 19 years old. Also, I had a cock that bred until he was 18.
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Steve_uk
280 posts
Nov 26, 2007
12:16 PM
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So what your saying tony is he's now got as good as its ever gunna get? Well i would like to order a kit of youngsters and a couple of pairs of stock if he as any spare as this will save me a lot of years of hard work.
Personally i dont think so as you could breed for a little better tighter kitting,maybe a little faster more frequancy the list goes on.
Steveo...
Oh and W@yne i thought u was my mate.
Last Edited by on Nov 26, 2007 12:16 PM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
274 posts
Nov 26, 2007
1:03 PM
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Steve Uk, What do think I have been doing all these years.Personally I know NO one will ever be there 100%,but your percentage should be there of what your breeding for.It makes no sense to me to dispose of a quality breeder after a few rounds or because of their age. Keep them around and fill your kits with these kind of birds and for reserve, .There is always room for improvement of at times of what you lack or need at that time, but you should find it with in your family or line.
R-LUNA
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ezeedad
76 posts
Nov 26, 2007
1:16 PM
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I bred a bird I named Max in 1986, and he may still be kicking. So he lived to be at least 20..maybe 21 so far.
Also my old foundation hen lived to be 18, and I flew her until she was 14(I used to fly my breeders)
Paul G
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W@yne
783 posts
Nov 26, 2007
1:22 PM
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Sorry Stevo :(
We usually look at things similar but if I'm gonna breed good birds from a click pair no matter what age there gonna be kept in the breeding pen.
There's always room for improvement but who has the perfect kit?
I don't know anyone.!!
There's room for improvement in everyones kit.
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Regards your friend
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Nov 26, 2007 1:25 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1923 posts
Nov 26, 2007
1:24 PM
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Hey Steve0, of course, I am talking a hypothetical situation (no one specific), a guy has started with good stuff...
The point I was trying to express is that in my opinion, the difference in improvement is so slight so as to not make much of a difference at all.
For example, the variance from kitting 1 inch to 5 inches closer or farther apart as they wheel about is nothing but aesthetics.
Will a bird roll more cuz his mates are 4 inches closer or farther? Will he roll deeper?
What some might call "improvement" is nothing more than "something different", if it doesn't get you more points in competition or more actual personal enjoyment from the "improvement", then its just something different not better.
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3757
307 posts
Nov 26, 2007
2:52 PM
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Paul - What ever happened to mouse?
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
89 posts
Nov 26, 2007
3:05 PM
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I agree with Tony
If you have a bird that produces quality in many ways why cant you keep breeding it until it dies of old age.
Its like a race horse.why do you think they keep breeding famouse horses way after they retire,to try and get more of the same quality.
I had a son of JL Smith nbrc 67-1315,he lived to 19 years of age and produced till he was 18.sadly non of those offspring lived past 10.
I have a Sparks that is 16,A Bob Scott that is 16,
and a few others that are in their 15s.
I dont stock a replacement untill the bird is at least 9 years old,I trully dont think we can get them to roll any faster or deeper.At what point do you say that is the fasts roller you have ever seen?
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Hector Coya
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PR_rollers
121 posts
Nov 26, 2007
4:59 PM
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I agree with all who keep old birds to breed from..especially if they nick pairs ,,that is not easy to get..and in the long run you don't have to cross to bring vigor back when all you have to do is look in your own backward look for something thats in your own family bloodline that will help keep it going strong.. quality,type..depth,what ever you looking for to bring in that you feel you lost...
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Ralph....
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ezeedad
77 posts
Nov 26, 2007
5:14 PM
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Laron,
Mouse is a very big part of almost everything working with now. She produced Max, the 20+year old bird I mentioned in this thread.. and his brother Marvelous, who was probably the "rollinest" bird I've ever bred...and deep like 70 or 80 feet(at least "2 poles".
Paul
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3757
308 posts
Nov 26, 2007
6:57 PM
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Thanks Paul for the information!
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