smoke747
10 posts
Nov 29, 2007
4:37 PM
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After attending many shows and flies, I noticed the show champion and the performing champions look different. Has anyone else noticed this?
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CSRA
596 posts
Nov 29, 2007
4:52 PM
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yes i have smoke
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gotspin7
671 posts
Nov 29, 2007
5:46 PM
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Yes Sir! It all depends on what you are working for! Some people just love to see there birds fly in a cage!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
Last Edited by on Nov 29, 2007 5:58 PM
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3757
328 posts
Nov 29, 2007
5:58 PM
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Keith - Absolutely! I have a couple of friends that always want to throw a bird in the show pen and say that this is the way a bird is suppose to look but they never have anything to fly and those same very birds do not perform that well. I am sure you have witnessed this as well. If you look closely at the birds that Bill Pensom called champions they do not look like the pigeons some say a bird is suppose to look like. I believe that a bird that spins correctly and has the correct style has the correct type for his individual body. Now if I have two birds equal in performance I will chose the one that I feel has the better and stronger body (Strong back, one tail feather, good feather and no wide primaries etc) but these characteristics alone does not guarantee anything. They have to have producing ability. Anyway, great post Keith
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smoke747
16 posts
Nov 29, 2007
6:05 PM
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3757, WHEN I GET A SUPER FAST ONE THAT DOES WORK HARD THE SECONDARIES ARE NARROW AND COME TO A POINT. IN HENS MORE THAN COCKS BUT SOME COCKS DO THEM
Last Edited by on Nov 29, 2007 6:05 PM
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Skylineloft
449 posts
Nov 29, 2007
6:32 PM
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Keith,
Good to see you posting here!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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smoke747
19 posts
Nov 29, 2007
6:36 PM
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RAY, GLAD TO BE INVOLVED
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
282 posts
Nov 29, 2007
8:08 PM
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Smoke747, you are right your faster bird should have the thinner secondaires, refined and ventalated . For the lawn show champion and the excellent spinner type ,I guess it would depend on the lawnshow judge knowing what are the properties of the traits the spinner should have of a spinner because I have seen SPINNERS that are ideal type as hell, in the hand. I support and like lawn shows but I dont like to put birds in for show because of the difference of likes of the judge.
R-LUNA
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Donny James
145 posts
Nov 29, 2007
9:11 PM
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there is a big differnce in my opinion .............donny james
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smoke747
22 posts
Nov 29, 2007
9:26 PM
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both these champions should support each other.
the performer if bred correctly should show its worth on the ground as well as in the air. the show champ should be able to roll/spin with any flying champion but this is not always tha case
k.london
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3757
342 posts
Nov 30, 2007
7:02 AM
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Smoke - That is correct. Great post!
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
288 posts
Nov 30, 2007
7:18 AM
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SMOKE I agree with you 100%.
R-LUNA
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Mount Airy Lofts
292 posts
Nov 30, 2007
10:11 AM
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Are you talking about the flying type or the Show Roller?
Thor
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smoke747
27 posts
Nov 30, 2007
10:20 AM
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THOR,
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE SHOULD NOT BE A DIFFERENCE. THEY SHOULD BE ONE N THE SAME. THIS IS OUR JOB AS BREEDERS OF TODAY.
K.LONDON
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elopez
86 posts
Nov 30, 2007
10:34 AM
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I agree with you 100%
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Mount Airy Lofts
293 posts
Nov 30, 2007
1:26 PM
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KL,
I know what you are trying to say. The truth is from my limited experience, it is all on the judge. The best performer plucked right out of the kit box is usually the first to get booted. I am not a big fan of showing just for show. I like it when the guys or gals brings in the best they have in the air and parades it for all to examine.
I guess we all as fliers can dream that one day the best performer in the lot will also take the Show.
Thor
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J T
47 posts
Nov 30, 2007
4:00 PM
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A true roller wil look ragged,
compared to a fat & fluffy show bird.
JT
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smoke747
31 posts
Nov 30, 2007
5:36 PM
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JT, BUT ONCE IT IS STOCKED, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW FOR PERFORMING ROLLERS, DON'T YOU AGREE?
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
292 posts
Nov 30, 2007
7:11 PM
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Thor I totally agree with you . I also try to look at those birds for possibble breeders from there quality traits.Muscle (chest-back),feathers,keel placement,length of back, eye expression, and character.
R-LUNA
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