pat66
40 posts
Nov 30, 2007
3:50 AM
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LaRon,the one black hen you gave me is throwing out some pretty long muffs is that common in this line? I will post a pic this weekend, Thanks, Pat
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3757
337 posts
Nov 30, 2007
6:08 AM
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Pat - Yes it is. The original Pensom birds were clean leg, booted and muff. Originally all of the Birmingham Black Country rollers were muffed according to Bill Pensom. If you look at most of the guys that have the Pensom lines you will see grouse or muffs. One of our members, Glen, has some beautiful booted and muffed birds that are hard core. Most of the muff birds go back to the Skidmore, Smith or Plona birds. The black hen's mother is heavy groused. We also have a member in the PRC, who has some pure Smiths and they are heavy muff. You will also find heavy muff gene in the NBRC-68-1220 lines and others. That black hen’s mother ripped and you should breed some good ones off of her. The Coopers have grouse but if you put two of the grouse leg birds together the muff gets longer. Some of the best I had from Bruce were grouse leg. the best I had from Bruce were grouse leg.
Last Edited by on Nov 30, 2007 6:09 AM
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COYOTE33
15 posts
Nov 30, 2007
6:46 AM
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hey! laron, some of dick's best pairs out of the
continental family are also booted and muffed, but i notice
he didnt go muff to muff when he bred. most of them are down from the 9658,9648 and 18313 i'll try and get you some pictures
wylie-coyote
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3757
339 posts
Nov 30, 2007
6:54 AM
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Coyote - All of the band numbers you mentioned are pure Plona blood that go back to Smith birds and they were muff or groused. I hope all is well with you.
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Mount Airy Lofts
291 posts
Nov 30, 2007
10:04 AM
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Pat,
What is long to you? Are you talking about Contenital stuff long? My birds can be heavily muffed as well if doubled up but nothing near what I have seen from the Contenitals. Doubling up means two birds carrying the muff gene (both can be cleaned legged or just showing a tint of boot).
Can you show me what is considered long to you by posting photos?
Some booted birds can be very attactive especially the Blacks with all white leggings.
Thor
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pat66
41 posts
Nov 30, 2007
2:07 PM
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Hey Thor,
I have to say I have not seen a cont. but long to me would mean covering the feet, it is a black w/white flights and the legs and feet are white,I will try to get a picture this weekend and post it,by the way what state are you from? Their is a Mount Airy in Penna.
Pat
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gotspin7
686 posts
Nov 30, 2007
2:08 PM
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Pat, I would love to see pictures of your birds! Do you have any available to share with us?
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Sal Ortiz
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pat66
43 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:27 AM
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Here is one I was refering too!!! Pat 
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
615 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:30 AM
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Nice squeekers
where the bands?
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Mount Airy Lofts
297 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:35 AM
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Pat,
That's perfect. I would not mind those at all. I get them much longer than that.
Thor
I'm flying with the Minnesota Boys aka Roller men
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3757
361 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:35 AM
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Pat - The squeakers look good. Just like their grandmother. We would call those boots or grouse legged. You should see some real fast ones out of these!
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pat66
44 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:45 AM
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Rudy, I will band them with snap-ons next week when I put them on the floor!
LaRon, thanks, I am very happy with the birds, thank you very much for all your help!!!
I do like this squeeker, got plans for it,hope it does good in the air!
Pat
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3757
364 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:20 AM
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Pat - Anytime. If you ever need anything let me know!
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J T
48 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:40 AM
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Nice looking young birds.
JT
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spanky
155 posts
Dec 02, 2007
12:14 PM
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NICE LOOKING BIRDS.
SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 12:14 PM
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gotspin7
715 posts
Dec 02, 2007
3:54 PM
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Pat, thanks for sharing!
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Sal Ortiz
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ICEMAN710
81 posts
Dec 06, 2007
3:14 AM
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nice, hey pat you got pictures of the parents?
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Gary
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CSRA
677 posts
Dec 06, 2007
8:52 AM
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Those are some nice pics good job
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Drama Side
7 posts
Dec 06, 2007
10:20 AM
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Whats up Steve! Do you got any muffs?
Drama Side
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3757
376 posts
Dec 06, 2007
11:40 AM
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Hector - Is that a 1220 descendent?
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
104 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:12 PM
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This is a family i got from the Joe Angulo birds i bought when he passed away.
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Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2007 1:13 PM
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pat66
48 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:20 PM
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mother of booted baby!!!
father of booted baby!!!!!!
THANK YOU 3757!!!!! Pat
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
105 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:48 PM
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Hector Coya
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
106 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:49 PM
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These muffs are 11 years old,the first one is there offspring.
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Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2007 2:26 PM
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pat66
50 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:55 PM
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Beautiful birds Hector,the first one has me drooling!!!!
Pat
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3757
378 posts
Dec 06, 2007
3:30 PM
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Pat - You will raise some very fast and stylish ones off of that pair if you have not already.
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gotspin7
754 posts
Dec 06, 2007
6:17 PM
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Pat, how old are your birds(breeders)?
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Sal Ortiz
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RXR Loft
120 posts
Dec 06, 2007
10:06 PM
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Hector...NICE...
that lavender is bad ass..
that's it... I am going MUFF..
this weekend i am going to hot glue muff on... lol
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2007 10:12 PM
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pat66
51 posts
Dec 07, 2007
3:29 AM
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THE BIRDS 3757 sent me in the summer,I am pretty sure they are 2006 birds,also I did get get one that is already better than any birds I have raised in previous years!!
Pat
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3757
381 posts
Dec 07, 2007
5:05 AM
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Thanks Pat. To me there is no greater joy as to when a fancier is content with the birds I have sent to him.
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gotspin7
770 posts
Dec 07, 2007
5:13 AM
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Pat, I was just asking about age because they look young nothing more and if you are happy with them that is great that is waht it is all about!
3757, I am glad that you are puttig smiles on peoples faces!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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smoke747
100 posts
Dec 07, 2007
9:13 AM
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HECTOR,
HAVE OR WILL YOU CROSS THE REED FAM. WITH YOUR B. SCOTT FAM. IF SO, HOW DID IT WORK OUT FOR YOU?
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Mount Airy Lofts
309 posts
Dec 07, 2007
9:56 AM
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HC,
Those are way too long for my likings. Nice birds, just not some thing I care for. They must fly with their legs spread out catching a lot of air? Some of my muffs do that all ready and they are not even half that length.
Thanks for the photos...
Thor
P.S. The Thomas Hatcher line resembles your birds... well at least the ones I see in my area do.
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2007 9:57 AM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
108 posts
Dec 07, 2007
6:05 PM
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Let me tell you those muffs can spinn,you can ack Geoge Ruiz,he got one from me that use to show the hole quite often.
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Hector Coya
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Missouri-Flyer
1075 posts
Dec 07, 2007
6:13 PM
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Nice Lav. Hector!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Mount Airy Lofts
312 posts
Dec 07, 2007
6:26 PM
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HC,
Not saying that they can't spin. As the ones in my area are darn good birds. Just don't care for the feather on their legs. To each his own.
Thor
Here is a '05 kit bird that is still rocking it in the air for my old bird team. The father is cleaned legged, the mother has just a tint of feather legs. The mother leggings resembles Pat's Red Check Breeder. This is as long as I want my birds to get. This Lavender Griz Tick is heavily line bred from the Lavender Stud of J. Leroy Smiths. Same stuff Thomas Hatcher used to start his stud. I think that is the root of all my Muffs. I don't get many muffs but when I do, they are of this length.
20 footer with solid velocity and style... on the big side.
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2007 6:40 PM
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