kcfirl
217 posts
Dec 01, 2007
4:52 PM
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Here's a question for you guys. I have a little blue check hen out of 2 of my best breeders that was the best best bird in the air that I've ever stocked. 25 - 30 ft blur and at least once minute, fantastic style and speed and alwaysright back to the kit. KEn Billig commented that I needed 19 more just like her when he saw her fly. She has also produced some good birds but not as good as hereself yet.
The question is this: What hen should I put her father on?
A) the hen that produced her.
B) her father.
What do you think? I'm torn. One one hand I think I should redo the mating that created her and try to get a couple more like her. On the other hand, I beleive her father is the best cock I own - perhaps I should put her back on her father and try to focus on him.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Ken Firl
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Ballrollers
979 posts
Dec 01, 2007
5:06 PM
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Ken,
Boy, if we only knew the correct answer to that one!! I have been faced with EXACTLY the same choice, in my breeding program. In my case, in '05 I put the hen on her father and produced three out of ten rolldowns, which is much higher than I usually get.(I usually get about 3-5 % rolldowns)But three of the offspring were very good....but not better than the hen.....but it seemed like, in my case, they were weaker in character as a whole; except for one particularly awesome hen they produced that is in my A-kit. She is better than the orginal hen. Now I am toying with the idea of putting the new awesome hen back on her father; or going back to the original pairing. I have two other pairs that I am pulling hens out of the A-kit and putting them back on their fathers....not sure, but it seems like the right thing to do!
Cliff
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Oldfart
267 posts
Dec 01, 2007
5:11 PM
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Cliff, side what I would say,and what I'm going to do.
Thom
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quickspin
158 posts
Dec 01, 2007
5:16 PM
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I will do is produce more from the same pair. You will have more chances of producing one the same or better out of the same pair that produce her. You don't know who produce her her dad or her mother genes. Just breed more and then you can pick the best hen and cock and breed them to the parents or each other.
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Ballrollers
980 posts
Dec 01, 2007
5:29 PM
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Quickspin,
Yep, that's the other side of the argument. My click pair put two birds in my A-kit...one a cock...the other a hen. The judge picked them as the two best birds in the kit and told me to stock them. So I did....put the cock on his mother and the hen on her father......but it didn't take. The old cock and hen got back together (open loft) and the new brother and sister got together. So I let it stand and the A-kit birds bred three rounds, then put them back into the kitbox for the World Cup last spring, for which I qualified fo the finals. Then I donated the A-kit cock to the NBRC convention auction. Now, I find that four of the six birds they produced in 07 are spinning like crazy, a fifth is a rolldown, and one still developing. I am still kicking myself for letting that cock go!!!!!! Someitmes we shoot ourselves in the foot! But somebody got an awesome bird in the auction.....
Cliff
Last Edited by on Dec 01, 2007 5:30 PM
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quickspin
159 posts
Dec 01, 2007
5:40 PM
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Ask the guy that won the auction if you can borrowed the cock bird or to trade it. You never know what you got in till it's gone.
It's very hard to inbreed birds if you don't know the back ground of the family you are working with.
The best guess it to leave the pair together or try it with other mates. I change pairs every 4 rounds in till I find the best two mates that produce the most % and let them together.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
1935 posts
Dec 01, 2007
5:57 PM
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I go along with quickspin, keep the pair together and foster a goodly number of young birds with the hope and expectation that a couple more good ones will turn up from them.
Then put the father onto the daughter assuming you find that she is still the better hen vs all the others that were produced from the original pair. Sounds like one of those fun problems to have! LOL
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gotspin7
703 posts
Dec 01, 2007
6:05 PM
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Fellas that is a great problem to have!! I usually put the daughter back to the father or son back to the mother! I want to see who is throwing that heat!
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Sal Ortiz
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Donny James
146 posts
Dec 01, 2007
6:27 PM
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hay ken,i would put her back on her father to see if i could rase some more like her you can't hurt your self by trying this..............donny james
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ezeedad
117 posts
Dec 01, 2007
10:10 PM
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Ken,
To me, from what you wrote it would be a no brainer...I'd bang her right back to the father and probably keep them together for at least 2 years.
Gomez
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