bigwilly
99 posts
Dec 01, 2007
7:19 PM
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Hey Fellas. I want to know what is the ideal roller, can someone post a picture of an ideal BR
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Santandercol
1724 posts
Dec 01, 2007
8:27 PM
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Here's a good bird from early 07.Not much of a pose but hell,he spins!!
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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ezeedad
116 posts
Dec 01, 2007
10:01 PM
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Will, I don't know how "ideal" this bird is.. but he was pretty da-- good. Rolled with the wings held at their highest point (touching), showed a small hole, and was a speedball.
Paul
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classicpony
567 posts
Dec 01, 2007
10:37 PM
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Seems everyone has the idea roller but there are many ideals
ideal for computations
ideal for personal enjoyment
ideal breeder
ideal cock
ideal hen
ideal for Sale
ideal for culling.
ideal for ect. ect. ect.
Jim
Illinois
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quickspin
160 posts
Dec 01, 2007
10:59 PM
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An Ideal roller might be different from me to every one else.
But we all look at the same thing and we try to improve are birds.
velocity, depth, control, type, frequency, style, character.
You can't judge a book by the cover.
This bird is the opposite of what I like on type but he sure was excellent in the air and good in the breeding. He is a big long cast bird.
Last Edited by on Dec 01, 2007 11:05 PM
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gotspin7
710 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:02 PM
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This one here was a 20 foot spinner!
This is the stud!
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Sal Ortiz
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 7:29 PM
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CSRA
627 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:03 PM
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What you think willy
Last Edited by on Dec 03, 2007 8:49 AM
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Deadendkid
122 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:05 PM
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i think the ideal rollers will be proven out in some flys against other birds its easy to say a bird is a ideal roller but what about a ideal kit anyone can breed a good bird what about 20 nice ones
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JMHD
225 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:18 PM
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Here you go Willy.
136 Houghton Line John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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WCWINR97
4 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:32 PM
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nice ... Steve& John
Fomby
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CSRA
631 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:36 PM
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Thanks Rob F
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WCWINR97
5 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:36 PM
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what up quick? its all good!
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JMHD
226 posts
Dec 01, 2007
11:56 PM
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Good to see you here Rod & thanks
John M.Loft(HDRC)So,Cal.
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Steve_uk
288 posts
Dec 02, 2007
12:05 AM
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JMHD awsome looking bird.
Steve...
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PR_rollers
168 posts
Dec 02, 2007
12:15 AM
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John M, nice pigeon ,is it a Hen?
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Ralph....
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
612 posts
Dec 02, 2007
5:39 AM
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Nice looking BR"S guys
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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bigwilly
103 posts
Dec 02, 2007
6:43 AM
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Thanks alot guys. I lam learning something everyday.
Paul, I like that bird alot looks like he can roll
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John
104 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:09 AM
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Here's a couple of Cocks for you. John Moore
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 10:08 AM
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WCWINR97
10 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:21 AM
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Hey John
you already know what i think.:)
Fomby
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WCWINR97
11 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:23 AM
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Sal
what a looker!
Fomby
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Windjammer Loft
75 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:26 AM
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Hey Bigwilly........Great post..Thats a very simple question to ask. But a difficult one to answer. Ideal to what extent? It might be better if you got alittle more specific. What is it that you want to know exactly? Iam curious to hear what some of your answers are too.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 9:29 AM
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WCWINR97
12 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:49 AM
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red check w/f...fastest bird i bred in 06...stocked!
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 3:13 PM
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quickspin
164 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:54 AM
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Nice birds.
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WCWINR97
13 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:06 AM
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Thanks QUICK!
Fomby
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Mongrel Lofts
460 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:13 AM
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Hey.
This is my ideal CCRC-03-#1488.
This was the deepest, fastest birds
I had raised in years, Until I
bred his Son KGB-05#11..
These were the type of bird that
when flown in WC or FF everyone
in the yard would ask about and
want to handle when they landed.
This cock bred on his full sister,
has been a hit mating, putting many
birds in the A teams..KGB
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 11:24 AM
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3757
362 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:37 AM
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Kenny - Is the bird you posted down from the 1079 blood?
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 10:38 AM
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Mongrel Lofts
461 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:54 AM
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HI Laron,
Yea, he is 1079 x369 with some 3845 rare hen, 313 and 272 behind him.. He is a Grandson to my Holywood cock Bird CCRC-88-#1090.. One of the cock's I consider a building block in my family that turned things around from flying birds that were stiff but could roll well. Another mating I hit on was KGB-92-#144 x #92. This pair had some #145 blood, and the same as above. Nearly every bird in my lofts today can be traced back to these 3 birds. I have used a few others over the years, but always back to the progeny of these 3 birds.. I have done a lot of inbreeding with this family over the years.. Even though they are highly related, when I cross the two, I consider it a family out cross. I got started with this family in 84-85. They have been good to me. Like all families you have to learn them and they have their short comings. On their good days, I have seen none better, if I had, I would have those! On their bad days, well, THEY SUCK!! LOL Sorry for rambling on, you now how it is when you start to talk about your passion and this family of Birmingham rollers are my passion. KGB
PS.. Here is a daughter that was fantastic off the old Holywood cock. #959
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 10:57 AM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
98 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:56 AM
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Hector Coya
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Mongrel Lofts
462 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:06 AM
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PS. 3757,
This is a head shot of the
#1488 cock above.. He throws some of the best
expression.. Looks better in person of course,,
I have an old 3.2 pixel camera.. Not the sharpest pictures,, LOL,, KGB
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 11:08 AM
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luis
365 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:15 AM
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I like those recs red mottles john and john M!Just the type of birds i go after.I need a kit full of those!!!! LOL.
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 11:17 AM
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3757
363 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:20 AM
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Kenny - Good looking birds. I know you get some really good speed off of them. 1079 was one of Herb's best!
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J T
49 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:43 AM
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Great looking birds!!
JT
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ezeedad
119 posts
Dec 02, 2007
1:35 PM
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Some really good lookers....
I guess my two favorites were Sals' and KGBs'. As much as I like Sal's, I think I'm leaning a little towards Kennys' bird... And Steve.. those 2 were great looking..and that black..Hectors'.. OH Yeah... Mine..?? Well, I guess he Isn't that photogenic..
Gomez
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 2:30 PM
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spanky
157 posts
Dec 02, 2007
2:23 PM
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SOME OF MY BIRDS!!!
SPANKY
S.G.V.S
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Skylineloft
471 posts
Dec 02, 2007
2:40 PM
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Rod,
I saw you fly that red check W/F.
That was a real nice bird in the air.
Real fast, clean spin.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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WCWINR97
14 posts
Dec 02, 2007
2:53 PM
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Yes you did Ray that him ,I just took a better pic of him
i will post soon.
Fomby
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3757
365 posts
Dec 02, 2007
3:45 PM
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Nice birds Spanky!
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spanky
158 posts
Dec 02, 2007
4:06 PM
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GRACIAS CARNAL!!!!!!
SPANKY
SGVS
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Agent526
31 posts
Dec 02, 2007
7:01 PM
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Below is Flawless son Electric Blue
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gotspin7
718 posts
Dec 02, 2007
7:12 PM
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List, real nice birds!
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Sal Ortiz
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916fastspinner
2 posts
Dec 02, 2007
7:35 PM
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wow nice looking birds guys....san vang
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smoke747
70 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:10 PM
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HEY, WHATS UP POPPA JOHN, HOW HAVE YOU, THE FAMILY, AND THE BIRDS BEEN?
K.LONDON
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CSRA
656 posts
Dec 03, 2007
8:50 AM
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Bigwilly where are you what do you think?
Last Edited by on Dec 03, 2007 8:52 AM
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J_Star
1382 posts
Dec 03, 2007
9:58 AM
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Steve Agent,
Just a question. Do you know if Marty Belk in NC has your family of birds. Or does Joe Bob Stoka has any of your line beside Charlie. Thanks.
Jay
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Bird_Man_916
41 posts
Dec 03, 2007
10:06 AM
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Agent526
32 posts
Dec 03, 2007
10:18 AM
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Jay, Charlie is the only person in NC that got my family of birds from me. Steve
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quickspin
173 posts
Dec 03, 2007
10:25 AM
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Hi Steve,
Steve regarding the Black Mottle and the mottles you have those are nice ones. Do you get that color a lot or not. The offspring I have are most all blue checks or dark checks.
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Agent526
33 posts
Dec 03, 2007
1:19 PM
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Quick, with my method of breeding I get a balance of colors/patterns. I get a fair share of the mottles both red and black. Steve
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bigwilly
105 posts
Dec 03, 2007
5:40 PM
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Steve, they look really good bro
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