smoke747
53 posts
Dec 02, 2007
8:21 PM
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IF YOU RAISED A BIRD, HEN OR COCK AND THE BIRD NEVER CAME INTO THE ROLL BUT WAS FLAWLESS IN EXP,CHAR, EYE,FEATHER,TEMP, AND TYPE WOULD YOU BREED FROM IT?
K.LONDON
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classicpony
574 posts
Dec 02, 2007
8:23 PM
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Smoke747,
NOPE it has to spin.
Jim
Illinois
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smoke747
54 posts
Dec 02, 2007
8:26 PM
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laron, or glen e. wasn't this the case with sonnyboy?
k.london
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 8:29 PM
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WCWINR97
23 posts
Dec 02, 2007
8:48 PM
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just because it did'nt show roll dose'nt mean it's not a
carrier.i'll breed it.
Fomby
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
299 posts
Dec 02, 2007
8:54 PM
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I'm running #6089-Sunny boy's blood through my family and have had no problem.
I believe this is the(top side) bloodline Pensom imported to cross out #514-line to bring in the frequency because her line got stiff.
R-LUNA
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 8:59 PM
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smoke747
58 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:05 PM
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R.LUNA,
I WAS TALKIN ABOUT SUNNYBOY HIMSELF. THE STORY IS, HE FLEW OVER A YEAR AND NEVER TURNED A FLIP.
K.LONDON
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 9:14 PM
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quickspin
166 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:10 PM
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Some birds do take a long time to come in to the roll but any ways they still cary the roll.
If you had to breed it breed it no problem, the offspring will roll.
I had some birds that took almost 1 1/2 years to come in to the roll. I had taken this birds and release them around 40 miles away from home and they always manage to come home. They were perfect kit birds and 3 brothers. I stay with them and one of them became one of the best kit birds I have had.
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glenn
56 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:14 PM
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Keith:
Sunny Boy never came in, flew over (2) years. If his kit was doing strange things he would put him back up to straighten them out. His borthers & sisters all spun. And to answer your question, yes I would breed out of a cock that did not spin but not a hen.......Glenn
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smoke747
60 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:23 PM
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glen, ifeel the same way.
whats been up glen?
how are the birds?
k.london
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glenn
57 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:32 PM
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Keith:
Birds are good, trying to fly...Glenn
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smoke747
63 posts
Dec 02, 2007
9:37 PM
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YOU MY MAN, HAVE GOT GUTS. IF I FLEW TOMORROW I KNOW I WOULD LOSE AT LEAST 2 BIRDS
LONDON
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2007 9:39 PM
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elopez
106 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:03 PM
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Funny you say that, flew today and lost 2....
In regards to your post, I wouldn't stock this bird up, I would rather stock his brother or sister up if they were performing to my likings. Plus right now I have too many breeders and what ever bird goes into my loft, he would have to take the place of another. So he's got to be a performer.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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black_hawk_down
58 posts
Dec 02, 2007
10:36 PM
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if the bird flew over a year then no i wouldn't breed from it only if you have an established family and that bird has the characteristics that you desired in your family then i would then breed from it but if it didnt come into the roll and flew over a year no i wouldnt breed from it only if it's predigree was from a good line-joe
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ezeedad
122 posts
Dec 02, 2007
11:56 PM
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Keith,
That's a pretty hard question. But I have bred lots of birds without flying them, based on the characteristics you mention. Only out of my own family though, since I've raised them for so many generations.
But I never have used a non-roller, so I guess I'd have to say no. Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 03, 2007 8:45 AM
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3757
367 posts
Dec 03, 2007
3:47 AM
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Keith - As far as a bird that is a non performer I believe many have taken what Bill Pensom stated totally out of context. He did this rarely for his family of birds. For example he did stock 5585 which was 514's last progeny but he had flown ever other bird out of her that was used in his personal breeding program including 3757, 3859, 119, 145 etc. Most of his stock was based on Champion performer’s not non rollers. He also stocked a few birds that he brought back from England due to their decent from the Skidmore stock but he flew all of the babies and even put some of the Barratt birds in the air to eventually re-stock and breed from.
I personally will not stock a bird that has not been flown if at all possible. I did break this rule when one my old cocks from Bruce Cooper died sitting on two young But, I had flown 38 birds off of him. I did stock these two due to 059 had produced on all 7 hens.
Last Edited by on Dec 03, 2007 3:52 AM
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gotspin7
732 posts
Dec 03, 2007
4:46 AM
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Keith, on this one I agree with Glenn, I would put up a cock bird and not a hen! Keith great posts keep them coming!
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
655 posts
Dec 03, 2007
8:35 AM
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I agree with sal good job Sal
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Windjammer Loft
85 posts
Dec 03, 2007
9:56 AM
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Keith....I guess I woud have to take into consideration the age of the bird. I'd have to give it fair and equal time to prove itself with the roll. That being said, if the blood is their I would breed it out and see how the youngsters turned out. Then make a desicision from that. Only time will tell. Remember PATIENCE is a virtue.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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