Fire_Baller_916
38 posts
Dec 06, 2007
10:25 AM
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Does anyone have any info on these birds??? Chai...
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
102 posts
Dec 06, 2007
11:20 AM
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Hector Coya
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RO
127 posts
Dec 06, 2007
12:20 PM
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Hector thats A niiice 1!
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Ro
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2007 12:20 PM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
103 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:03 PM
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I only have 1 cock,no hen so anything i mate him with dont come out white.
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Hector Coya
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J T
66 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:03 PM
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A fellow club member tried a 20 bird kit of solid whites.
Called White Lighting.
BOP cleaned his clock.
Must have been a DRY county.
JT
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Mount Airy Lofts
308 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:44 PM
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HC,
Strong looking white you got there. Reminds me a lot of the whites that come out of my family. Does the Plona/Smith whites count? I get them in both eye colors - pearl and orange. Mine are not true whites as they are merely just doubled up grizzles. Get about 4 to 5 a year. Only one would probably be worth feeding after the year. The rest either are too hot or nothing (no performance).
Thor
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
107 posts
Dec 06, 2007
1:54 PM
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This one is kindof big
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Hector Coya
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J_Star
1416 posts
Dec 06, 2007
3:46 PM
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Hector, I have a white family started with mine. I call my white family "The Wedding Bells". So far I have a half kit going. So far never got a cull or lost any to overfly or hawks for the two years breeding them. When I get an overfly, my whites are always back the second day. Sometimes after 4 days but never lost any. They start spinning at 7 to 9 months which is later than my other colors from the same strain. The breeder hen was a multiple depth hen with excellent control. The cock was gifted to me from the stock of original breeder because I wanted to start the white family. I never flew him and took his word for it. Next season, I am stocking a brother and sister which are whites and want to see what I would get.
Jay
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PR_rollers
197 posts
Dec 06, 2007
3:53 PM
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Hector he looks kind of small to me in pic...i have seen birds that look big in pics but when handle are small..like Dave Henderson birds when i first saw them on pic i said they look kind of big for my taste but when i got them they are just right especially in my hands..not big at all..some medium size..
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Ralph....
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PR_rollers
198 posts
Dec 06, 2007
3:53 PM
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By the way thats a pretty white..good luck with it..
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Ralph....
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
645 posts
Dec 06, 2007
4:18 PM
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Zup coya name him snow man.........lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Missouri-Flyer
1057 posts
Dec 06, 2007
4:25 PM
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Nice bird H.C,
I have 1 that looks similiar, but has a single brown feather, as you can see in the pic.. I stocked her this year.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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PR_rollers
202 posts
Dec 06, 2007
4:29 PM
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Jerry ,,That is sweet..good luck with that one..
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Ralph....
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
646 posts
Dec 06, 2007
4:39 PM
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Zup jerry u can name her snow white..........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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RXR Loft
118 posts
Dec 06, 2007
4:43 PM
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I like SMUGE..
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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Snake Doctor
79 posts
Dec 06, 2007
4:59 PM
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Hey Chai,
I was given this pair of whites, they have orange eyes, the start of these came out of Tennessee.
They are small compared to my Ruby's
SD
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2007 5:04 PM
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CSRA
680 posts
Dec 06, 2007
5:07 PM
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Nice pic good job do they roll?
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Snake Doctor
80 posts
Dec 06, 2007
5:20 PM
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These birds I have not seen fly, they were in Mr. Sam Pate's breeder loft. I have seen some from these birds fly from his mobile loft. I am so new I really am not able to say how well the rolled but roll they did, 20 maybe 30 feet.
SD
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crystalpalace
205 posts
Dec 06, 2007
7:05 PM
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Paul Platz purchased rollers from Bill Pensom and Ralph Hilton and bred a beautifull family of pure whites. Paul showed his family at many shows including the 1978 N.P.A. Grand National Show in San Diego, California. Steve Perry bought the entire stud after Paul Platz passed away. I purchased three pair from Steve and they were all orange eyed. My other white family has pearl eyes and i cross the two families. I flew two white hens in competition this year that were spinning 30-40 feet. They were stocked this year for next year. The white rollers that were posted were good looking specimens. Ray
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PR_rollers
205 posts
Dec 06, 2007
7:13 PM
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Snake Doctor nice looking birds .they look like little dove's
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Ray good luck with your next year breeding on those white pigeons.
Ralph....
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gotspin7
767 posts
Dec 06, 2007
7:16 PM
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Hector, Jerry nice whites!
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Sal Ortiz
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JMUrbon
300 posts
Dec 06, 2007
8:14 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Paul's whites were also double factor grizzles. Never seen any of them in a kit per say but did see some nice individuals. The ones I seen were a bit longer casted birds but they could spin with the best of them. I would also add that although I never had any at my house the ones I seen at others seemed to be more susceptible to illness. Probably not the case throughout and more than likely isolated incidents but none the less it is what I noticed with them.
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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RXR Loft
119 posts
Dec 06, 2007
9:46 PM
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Fire Baller, sorry I don't know a thing about those birds..
but can I show you mine... this is of the WHITE HEAT Family.
I have a second in the nest 10 days old same family.
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2007 9:48 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1072 posts
Dec 07, 2007
4:45 AM
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Thanks Ralph and Sal,
She is a keeper.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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3757
379 posts
Dec 07, 2007
4:56 AM
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Jim - You are correct. They did descend from double factor grizzles.
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Andy_her
1 post
Dec 07, 2007
8:43 AM
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Sorry, everyone I saw white birds and I wanted to show off some of my white birds as will....
This is as pure as you can get them White Heat...
This is a cool site...
WHITE HEAT COCK
Another white heat cock but with red
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2007 8:50 AM
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Andy_her
2 posts
Dec 07, 2007
8:52 AM
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RXR Loft, where did you get your white heat?
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maxspin
134 posts
Dec 07, 2007
10:37 AM
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I am steering away from double grizzle (white) birds. They never live through their first year (BOP)!
There is no point in wasting my time with that kind of breeding as I will never get to see the results.
Keith
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RXR Loft
123 posts
Dec 07, 2007
11:21 AM
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I got mine form Sam "Smitty Smith..
and you??
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2007 11:23 AM
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Andy_her
4 posts
Dec 07, 2007
11:45 AM
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My birds came from Lenard K. from P-town Oregon straight from the man himself Bill S. ..I got these birds like 10 years ago...
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2007 11:49 AM
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jw66
1 post
Dec 07, 2007
12:25 PM
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Hi on finding the Platz you can try JP Isom on the
Oriental Roller Website he has them on his he is in Utah.
jw66.
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pacos bill
32 posts
Dec 07, 2007
9:53 PM
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Dennis Nelson a friend of mine clams his son has some pure Plats whites and as told in a earler post Paul told me the whites we pure Bop. bait or roll downs I did get a great Plona / Smith white grizzle when I was at his house in around 1983 for a fly. call 951 244 3533 will try to find Nelsons number pacos bill
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lil_jess
62 posts
Dec 08, 2007
9:20 AM
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I acquire mine Paul Platz Pearl eye from a local member...I have seen Platz Roller Perform...Like them alots...No such thing as True Whites but double factor grizzles...
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Home of the Admiration of Flying Performing Pigeon
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2007 9:22 AM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
109 posts
Dec 08, 2007
9:37 AM
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I thuoght Platz where orange eyes?
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Hector Coya
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birdman
450 posts
Dec 08, 2007
9:50 AM
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Hector, that's what I thought too.
I never heard of Platz pearl eyed whites. Only orange eyed whites.
Go figure.
Russ
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
111 posts
Dec 08, 2007
10:05 AM
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Russ
Thas what made his unique,its harder to get orange eye white.
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Hector Coya
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birdman
451 posts
Dec 08, 2007
10:55 AM
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Hector, I don't know that it's any harder. If he started with 2 pearl eyed birds then they would all be pearl eyed. But I always though the Platz trademark was that the birds were all orange eyed.
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2007 11:10 AM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
112 posts
Dec 08, 2007
1:08 PM
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It is harder becouse any grizzle that produces white will look white but will have bull eyes or pearl eyes.
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Hector Coya
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ICEMAN710
88 posts
Dec 09, 2007
2:40 AM
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you're right paul platz's birds were known for being orange eyed not pearl. I had some of his birds before to play with. This was back in 95, the guy I got them from got his birds from Paul when he was still living. They were all orange eyed, although they would sometimes throw imperfect orange eyes, you know cracked eyes and whatnot. I didnt keep them to long as they didnt compare close to my father and I's family of birds so I lost interest quickly. (hey I was only 10!) My father had had a side project that were all white, a subfamily from our main one, they were all bull eyed but super fast and deep spinners.
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Gary
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lil_jess
63 posts
Dec 10, 2007
3:11 PM
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From what i seen Platz Roller are Orange eye for sure...Then later They become Pearl eyes in some Breeder Loft...I don't know how those Breeders did it...But I can asked the guy i got them from...He had them in Orange eye and he say something about inbred...Or etc...Then that's how he got them to have Pearl eye...
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Home of the Admiration of Flying Performing Pigeon
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pacos bill
33 posts
Dec 10, 2007
6:39 PM
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You guys are dead on. Paul took great pride in his birds very bright orange eye. I did not ever see a pearl, or bull eye, but that is not to say they did not get a few. Pacos Bill
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
114 posts
Dec 10, 2007
7:34 PM
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I dont think the Platz birds produced pearl eyes,i might be wrong.
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Hector Coya
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birdman
452 posts
Dec 10, 2007
7:37 PM
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I would bet that other birds were crossed with the Platz birds to get the pearl eye.
I'm not sure about the original birds that Platz used but he seemed to have the gene for orange eyes fixed.
Orange is dominant to pearl and you need at least one pearl eyed bird to produce pearl eyes from the youngsters. Any orange eyed bird with a pearl eyed parent will carry the gene for pearl. Mate the carriers together and you should get 25% pearl eyes.
Russ
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Fire_Baller_916
42 posts
Dec 11, 2007
10:19 AM
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I Just met a guy not too long ago he carries platz birds...He had plats birds in orange eyes...He inbeed them and they threw out pearls eyes...But ofcourse you got to play around with there genetics first and know which birds could throw out what color eyes and just breed of off that click pair that throw out the peral eyes...Chai...
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Andy_her
9 posts
Dec 11, 2007
1:33 PM
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Don't take it the wrong way guys.....
Are we here looking for birds that rolls or eye colors???
It don't matter if its PURE breed Platz birds with orange eyes...If it don't roll why keep it...
Pure or not the question is it a roller???
Many line has been cross to meet the owners likely...
Pearl or orange eyes...When people see it in the sky will everyone go WOW....
Orange or pearl its in the genes....Think about it...How did this line become white in the first place....
Just my 2 cent...
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
115 posts
Dec 11, 2007
4:52 PM
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Andy,we where talking about Paul Platz whites, if you are familiar with the family you will know what we where talking about. He was famouse for his Orange eye whites,not his pearl eye whites, and did they roll?,atleast the once ive seen did.
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Hector Coya
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Fire_Baller_916
46 posts
Dec 12, 2007
2:03 PM
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Some of Platz birds...
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lil_jess
64 posts
Dec 12, 2007
4:56 PM
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Hey Chai you went back...Lol...JWD...
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Home of the Admiration of Flying Performing Pigeon
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Fire_Baller_916
48 posts
Dec 12, 2007
6:29 PM
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I went to back to see his Whittingham fly...LOL...
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Andy_her
11 posts
Dec 13, 2007
8:57 AM
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Hector, yes I know these birds....I had this line when I was living in Merced CA...These Platz white birds are not your small white roller...They are bigger in size and they did have the orenga eyes...I know they roll...All I'm trying to say is orange or pearl if they don't roll why keep...
I got the chance to fly these Platz and with the white heat...White heat are much smaller in size....Platz birds have control...White heat has speed and depth....
Its just me but I like speed in my rollers so I went with white heat...
Its good that everyone still have these birds...Good luck to the guys who is still keeping this Platz line going...
Thanks everyone...
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