W@yne
804 posts
Dec 07, 2007
12:26 PM
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I was informed by an old time flyer over here in the UK that Father Schlattmann was the first person to import pigeons over in the USA in 1932 so i did a little homework but this is all i could find on this subject.
In 1932 a Catholic priest who loved pigeons imported rollers from a young man named William H. Pensom, born and reared in Harborne, England. Father Schlattmann of St. Louis imported eight Birmingham Roller pigeons from Pensom and began breeding kits of rollers that were the envy of all who saw them.
Could any one tell me does any one fly direct birds Schlattmann family today?
Does anyone have any information on Schlattmann?
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W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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3757
383 posts
Dec 07, 2007
2:25 PM
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Wayne - Father Schlattmann died in an automobile accident in the 1940's. His birds were dispersed to many different breeders of the Pensom line of that time including Ray Perkins and others. His birds were known as "little blue birds" line. He also had birds from the original clay hen HRC-32-#5. Bruce Cooper has descendants of this hen but you are now talking 9 – 10 generations back. The HRC-32-#5 was basically the Bellfield blood.
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2007 5:55 AM
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W@yne
807 posts
Dec 07, 2007
10:49 PM
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Thanks LaRon much appreciated.
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W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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RXR Loft
126 posts
Dec 07, 2007
10:57 PM
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wow LaRon.. thats intresting...
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Rudy
RxR Loft
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3757
384 posts
Dec 08, 2007
5:58 AM
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Wayne - Anytime my friend. Also, I have a friend in England. His name is Bill McCrae. He can give you some serious history also. Bill is a nice guy.
Rudy - I did see the pictures of your birds where did they originate? They look great!
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
1184 posts
Dec 08, 2007
6:07 AM
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Wayne.Here is some info from my collections of writings.Don't know how valid it is but I keep it anyway.Hope you enjoy.Rather lengthy and with my 2 finger typing took awhile.LOL.
Father Schlattmann's 1936 importtations were all old birds, flyers and breeders.NBRC 2139 BlackSaddle Cock was described by Pensom as a Champion,not a better roller alive.He was by a good Red Badge Cock from a Black patched hen,full sister to the Dun hen HRC 31 1613.
NBRC 344 was a Black Mottled Cock described as a Champion and a deep one.
NBRC 2142 was a Red Self Cock with a White feather in his tail.
NBRC 2153 a Red Cock ticked with White,was of Champion calibre and produced some great ones mated to 2138 Red Spangle Hen.
NBRC 2138 Red Spangle hen was a daughter to the old Red Spangle cock.
MRS 521 a Champion in the air.and one that Pensom said would produce a good one with anything.This was a truly great hen and in 1941 LeRoy Smith,Ray Perkins and Farher Schlattmann arranged to mate her to the Red Spangle Cock HRC 29 4630 a son of 521 in order to perpetuate the old Red Spangle blood.The resulting youngsters were outstanding in type,color and performance.After studying and showing a pair of these for years Perkins offered Smith 50.00 for the two that he had left,but Smith would not sell.The close up blood of 2138 has always been of great value to Pensom breeders regardless of what cock she was mated to.
NBRC 35 428 Dun Badge hen, nestmate to NBRC 35 429 Red Checker Cock imported by Smith in the Riches shipment was described by Pensom as follows.A great favorite,Shown and Won,Will make a Champion and bred from the Worlds best hen,Sire to 428,is also Sire to your good Dun Badge Cock HRC 33 23 and said Sire is a full brother to my Dun Hen 1613,It nearly broke my heart to part with 428.This hen was of course a daughter of the great 40 161 pair and she produced many fine offspring that are carying on in the 40 161 tradidition.
NBRC 1452 Black Badge Hen and NBRC 1458 Red Self hen completed this shipment.Most of the birds in this shipment were outstanding selections of Pensom from the Loft of Harry Bellfield.
That wore me out.Time for a nap.LOL. David
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Steve_uk
291 posts
Dec 08, 2007
7:42 AM
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I dont think he keeps pigeons anymore the last i heard of him was in 1994 when he released a song wich stayed in the top 10 for 10 weeks hope this helps.
Steve0...
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RXR Loft
128 posts
Dec 08, 2007
8:06 AM
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LaRon, thanks..
my familys come from Sam "Smitty" Smith he has worked with this line for over 20 yrs, it the Dennis Godair strain...
in this their are Red Check California Classic hen
and the original White Heat family.
and something he calls Blue Star Family.
as Smitty puts it.. " Velocity... the only way to fly"
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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3757
390 posts
Dec 08, 2007
10:28 AM
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Rudy - Velocity and Style is the key and thanks for the information.
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classicpony
585 posts
Dec 09, 2007
7:11 AM
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Very interesting I learn more and more eveyday on this site. Keep the great info coming.
Jim
Illinois
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W@yne
808 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:36 AM
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Thanks LaRon and David great info guys.
LaRon i have seen Bill McCrae at meetings over here next time i see him ill have a good chat with him and ill also send your regards thanks once again.
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W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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3757
397 posts
Dec 14, 2007
5:33 AM
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Thanks Wayne
Wayne - If you and Bill have time ask Bill to tell you about the fastest bird he ever witnessed in his life.
Thanks
Dr. LD
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CSRA
742 posts
Dec 14, 2007
8:18 AM
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Thats some good info good job
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3757
400 posts
Dec 14, 2007
8:34 AM
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Thanks Steve
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smoke747
157 posts
Dec 14, 2007
8:48 AM
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HEY RR, ARE TALKING ABOUT SAM SMITH THAT LIVES IN LONG BEACH? HE DOES HAVE SOME FAST BIRDS. HE SHOULD PARTICIPATE.
A COCK FROM HIM WAS MATED TO THE ORIGINAL SMOKE TO PRODUCE MY MAIN STOCK BIRDS
LBRC-89-SS-100 BLUE CHK SELF P/E
SMOKE747
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RXR Loft
131 posts
Dec 14, 2007
10:36 PM
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that'a him...
he is on this site goes by .. V-Spot
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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W@yne
812 posts
Dec 15, 2007
12:03 AM
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I sure will LaRon he might be at our show in warrington on the 27th of jan.
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W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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