Oldfart
296 posts
Dec 11, 2007
1:23 PM
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Hey All, I think I have it fairly close but I'm no math wizz and sometimes it looks one way on paper and another in reality. That said, starting from when the first egg is layed from a pair of breeders. Using three pair of fosters, how long would it take until the last egg is layed if you allow the breeders to sit the fourth set of eggs. The breeders would have to lay four rounds of eggs. Counting the time it would take for the breeders to realize their eggs are gone and relay in-between all rounds.Approximately,
of course. Thanks for the help.
Thom
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Double R
177 posts
Dec 11, 2007
5:49 PM
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Hey Thom,
I'm not sure but if my calculations are correct it would be around 40 to 45 days from the day you put the pair together, until your breeding pair were down on eggs. That is if you took the eggs as soon as the second egg was laid each time.
Robby
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2007 6:57 AM
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gotspin7
805 posts
Dec 12, 2007
5:08 AM
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Thom, it depends on the pair or pairs some are like chickens!LOL, it seems that they will lay as soon as you remove the eggs and others take about a week or week and some days!Good Luck!
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Sal Ortiz
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Velo99
1455 posts
Dec 12, 2007
5:27 AM
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Thom,
From pairing to hatch one cycle is approximately 28 days. Add seven to ten days for each foster pair and that should give you the time frame.
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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Oldfart
299 posts
Dec 12, 2007
7:00 AM
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Thanks everyone, that is close to what I had. I know they are not machines, but I thought there must be a
reasonable expectation. A few more questions if you please.
1. How long before the squab can go to the floor if you are breeding in a closed box system?
2. How many rounds do you take from a breeder pair before allowing them to raise a round?
3. How many rounds from a breeder pair before resting them?
I understand there are no absolute answers and that each breeder may vary in their answers, but in general.
Thanks, Thom
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2007 7:03 AM
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Velo99
1456 posts
Dec 12, 2007
10:47 AM
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Thom,
1 approximately 3 weeks.
They usually lay or have laid again around this time so you want to have the chicks ready to go to the floor. This is when the timing issue becomes critical. Fosters should go something like 1,2,3. 3,2,1. I don`t keep a certain foster pair for a certain breeder pair. I use the closest foster pair when I start the next round. This is the fun part.
You have 30 days between the first foster and the breeder pair when they lay again,20 the second and 10 the third.
If you breed the last first,you can get a round from another pair off foster1, Hold foster2 with wooden eggs til the first set is laid to go with foster3.
That gives you 50 days for foster1 to complete a round for another pair.Which should go right in line with a set every ten days.
10 days to lay
18 to hatch
21 to floor eggs in nest probably within 3-4 days
total 49 days
2 I do three
3 I ran 16 this season.
When they are sitting eggs you have 18 days to beef em up before the eggs hatch. This is normally when I medicate and do other birdy maintenance. You want to be careful what you give em the last few days before hatching when they are making milk. I normally go with plain water and seed/pellets.
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2007 11:15 AM
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Oldfart
305 posts
Dec 12, 2007
12:27 PM
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WOW, Thanks Kenny, that is exactly what I needed to know. I'm printing as I type. This will take a little study, the old brain doesn't work like it used to!!!
Thom
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Velo99
1457 posts
Dec 12, 2007
3:54 PM
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Thom,
I had to take my boots off and count toes to make sure I had it right.
good luck buddy
ps. when I pull eggs from the breeders I make sure they know I pulled them and they are gone. In other words don`t be sneaky about it. I pull the birds out of the nest and sometimes lock em out of the box for a few minutes. They are hanging on the box looking inside for the eggs. Usually they will lay agin in 8-10 days.
If you are gonna use the woodies,do it really sneaky and slow while the cockbird is on the nest. The hens are usually more perceptive then the cockbirds.
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2007 4:03 PM
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rollerpigeon1963
202 posts
Dec 13, 2007
8:17 PM
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Thom,
Being one of your neighbors you will find out about hawk season LOL LOL. It seems once they find out where you are they wont leave you alone. So our window for flying is very little and getting young birds up and flying is also a pain in the butt. I have a 6 month window for flying and the first birds you get out you have to get them up and out as soon as possible. The reason why is the birds will only be 6 months old by the time you have to lock them down. So your very first year you are flying young birds that are just coming into the roll and will only get better. If you keep flying them you will loose more than your share and the more you loose the more information you will never receive.
I put the birds together around the middle of feb. And hope they start laying around the end of feb. Hatch out around the middle of march and then get the birds out on the wing around the first of april. Now my breeding season is feb-may. So you see I have to use fosters so I can get plenty of birds around the same age in in the air together.
I use 3 pairs of fosters for every pair of breeders. I allow the breeders to raise their own every third round. When the first round is laided I pull all the eggs from the other foster birds except for the ones carring for the original breeders eggs. So this way the fosters that are left is on the same page as the original breeders. And I keep doing this everytime a round is laid. This way it will allow me to raise more of the original breeders in shorter time than most people.
Now my fosters is late hatch birds that I didn't get in the air because of either weather/work or what ever happen to keep them inside. So if they happen to raise a round while the original breeders are raising their own it wont hurt to try their babies. Since they are the same family and should have the gene pool so what the heck.
If I raise anything after may the birds are so young that you don't get much information from them before you have to lock them down. And for them to be locked down for 6 months is hard on you and them. And why feed something for another six months that might be a cull? a cull eats as much as a champion so why not keep your best?
I don't know if this is something you were looking for but its something that has worked for me in the past and plan on doing it again this coming season.
Thanks and best of luck
Brian Middaugh
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birdman
454 posts
Dec 13, 2007
8:42 PM
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Brian, good to see you posting!
I thought you were getting out of birds completely?
What did you decide to keep?
Take care,
Russ
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Skylineloft
557 posts
Dec 13, 2007
9:22 PM
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BK,
Great advise.
Good to see you posting again.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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CSRA
740 posts
Dec 14, 2007
8:07 AM
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Thats some great advise goodluck old fart
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Oldfart
307 posts
Dec 14, 2007
8:38 AM
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Thanks, Kenny and Brian, between the two of you I think I have a better understanding and an idea of what to do.
Brian, I found out about the B.O.P. in short order this year. I see Coopers almost every day and falcons once or twice a week. When you are lounging around, :-) and looking for something to do, call me and drop in sometime. I would like your thoughts on my setup. (353-0820)
Steven, thanks I need all the luck I can get!!
Thanks to everyone for their help!
Thom
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rollerpigeon1963
203 posts
Dec 14, 2007
3:04 PM
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Well guys,
I sold all the young birds and most of the older birds. I couldn't sell the birds that were given to be by Scott and Kenny. I didn't think that would be right since they gave them to me. So I have 18 birds that I couldn't let go and I figure since they are here might as well breed and fly them. And a few weeks back I did get a couple of birds from Jimmy Sherwood. But I still have the click pair and all the birds Scott sent me and the two birds I had left from Kenny that I bought back in 2002.
After I had talked to Kenny Billings the other night things were a little easier to handle. And I wanted to thank Kenny Billings for being there and allowing me to express myself to him. And for listening to me and giving me some great advice. Kenny Billings if you are reading this I want to say thank you very much. Its not over but things are looking better on my side of the country.
Guys I acted out of rage when I said I was giving up on the rollers. But know how much I love these little feathered friends I figure I could spare them some time. I did get rid of all but 12 chickens. And been attending my son's football games and daughters cheerleading. Do my best at being a father and a husband as well as a pigeon man.
And with friends like you guys how could someone just walk out?
I want to say I wish the best to you Thom with your new friends and best of luck. I will give you a call here soon. I have to go out to minford and look at a couple more quarter horses. Going to take them over to Danny Kings place to pasture right now. But I will get a hold of you.
Best of luck
Brian Middaugh
Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2007 5:53 AM
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W@yne
815 posts
Dec 15, 2007
2:26 AM
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Brian Middaugh
Glad to have you back on board we sure have missed not having you around.
Hope 2008 will be a good year for you.
Keep us posted on how you are getting along with them Billings birds.
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Take care my friend.
Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
691 posts
Dec 15, 2007
4:38 AM
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Hi Brian........
Welcome back to posting (CUZ)....
Good luck with those sherwoods enjoyed talking to you.
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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