CSRA
880 posts
Dec 22, 2007
10:43 AM
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i agree with you Joe on that issue to good job
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
758 posts
Dec 22, 2007
10:53 AM
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lET THE BIRDS PROVE THEMSELVES IN THE AIR.
FLY OR DIE...
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RUDY PAYEN
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CSRA
884 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:02 AM
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Do not get it TWISTED by any means i am a fly man on this side of town i fly very hard i evaluate very hard if it rolls right and on the ground don't look right it will be a kit bird for life
Last Edited by on Dec 22, 2007 11:03 AM
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JMUrbon
311 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:09 AM
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I have never showed birds for the simple reason that I believe rollers belong in the air. And like you I have many qualities a bird must posess to get to the stock loft and looks is one of them. A bird must have all of them to be considered.
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Missouri-Flyer
1137 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:32 AM
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Joe,
Do you stock from unflown, or birds from the nest?
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CSRA
890 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:40 AM
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Thats right Joe
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JMUrbon
312 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:43 AM
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No I dont. Everything I breed goes in the air and must earn a spot in the stock loft.
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
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CSRA
891 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:44 AM
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Tony very good explanation in another case does DNA lie
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JMUrbon
313 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:48 AM
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My #1 cock for the last 10 years was not flown out. However, He was flown and I was watching him very closely for stock but at 10 monthes he was tore up by a falcon pretty bad and I pulled him to heal up and just let him breed one round and he never seen the air again. Call it fate or luck but I was already watching him very closely for the stock loft.Joe
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CSRA
893 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:59 AM
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Now Joe you know the BOP will change the way you fly and breed
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JMUrbon
314 posts
Dec 22, 2007
12:07 PM
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they make the difference between being able to fly a bird out for 2-3 years. I had birds 3-5 years old in my a team the last couple years but that is because I locked them up through the winter when the BOP were the worst.
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Missouri-Flyer
1141 posts
Dec 23, 2007
11:25 AM
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your my kind of breeder, Joe.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2022 posts
Dec 23, 2007
11:29 AM
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Hey Jerry, I can see in the egg "spinnin". LMAO! Jerry, answer my question first and then I will answer yours. ;-)
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Missouri-Flyer
1142 posts
Dec 23, 2007
11:35 AM
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LMAO Tony..Your a good guy!
There is no comparison between those 2 things that you mentioned. In the world of spotting criminals, which I am very good at, It is something that I can see with my own eyes. When I do a traffic stop on a vehicle, and observe a subject inside of the vehicle moving about, hands being placed inside of a duffel bag, reaching under the seat,etc..I then KNOW something is going stale...With picking birds from the nest to place into the stock loft, you cant see anything, except what the parents are, and did..Again, we all breed junk, so stocking from an unflown bird, NO MATTER WHAT THE PARENTS DID, is no proven way to get the best results from your future stockers...Just my opinion, but it is as simple as night and day to me.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
930 posts
Dec 23, 2007
11:47 AM
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Mizzo if you put quality quality will come out DNA lol
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Missouri-Flyer
1145 posts
Dec 23, 2007
11:52 AM
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CSRA,
if that is the case, wouldnt DNA predict that when you have 2 loving, well rounded HUMAN parents, that their kids would turn out to be the same?...Why are the prison systems so jammed full?..Are there that many bad DNA parents out there in the world?..If so, a single bullet only cost $.14
You can get shit from anything, including pigeons, no matter what the DNA is.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
784 posts
Dec 23, 2007
12:10 PM
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Zuppppppppp Jerry hope u dont see me in person................
U will arrest and cuff at sight....
LMAO
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Missouri-Flyer
1146 posts
Dec 23, 2007
12:24 PM
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LMAo...Rudy, no worries from me brother!.. I just keep my eye on the bad guys.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
785 posts
Dec 23, 2007
12:34 PM
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SMOOTH CRIMINAL.......................LOL
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Missouri-Flyer
1147 posts
Dec 23, 2007
12:37 PM
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Tony, your turn..LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
936 posts
Dec 23, 2007
2:28 PM
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Mizzo you cannot compare humans with pigeons lol
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CSRA
937 posts
Dec 23, 2007
2:30 PM
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Mizzo if you breed 2 dairy cows will they produce beef
Would 2 angus beef cows produce grade a milk? lol
Last Edited by on Dec 23, 2007 2:35 PM
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JMUrbon
318 posts
Dec 23, 2007
6:56 PM
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It would only stand to reason that by choosing birds that you know will roll you will stand a much better chance of getting rollers out of them. That is not to say that you wont be able to get good birds out of a pair of unflown, unproven birds but you just have a better chance.
It has long been the practice to breed from the birds we raise and fly. I also know that with the huge rise in population of Falcons and hawks everywere we arent able to fly birds out the way that we use to. I still believe that birds should at least be put in the air for a season and then if you feel they need to be pulled for fear of loosing them then you can make that decision then. At least then you will know that they at least rolled befor you stocked them. Joe Urbon
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smoke747
284 posts
Dec 23, 2007
7:18 PM
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misso, you are right but i usually fly my birds at least two seasons. this year a bird that i had my eye on the first season got snatched in the beginning of this year. a cock that might have been a loft changer but it will take me another year and a half to find out. there is no hawk season here any more. the bops here take the best first.
smoke747
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CSRA
943 posts
Dec 23, 2007
8:08 PM
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Joe what you are saying is so true and has been proven to but listen my best producers were not flown also some of my birds that were flown were less than average rollers have produce some of my best kit birds i have heard the best performers were terrible producers can anyone step in and explain that
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Missouri-Flyer
1148 posts
Dec 23, 2007
8:39 PM
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CSRA,
why were you breeding from below average rollers in the first place?..We hear so much about using only the best that we have..I have seen your birds, and I know you cant tell crap from a picture from how the birds performance is, but I am sure you have some that are better than average....With the newbies reading this stuff about stocking from unflown birds, it may set them off in the wrong direction...
Joe, great advise. After watching a bird fly for atleast a season, you will have a better idea as to what to expect in the loft.. I agree, that yes you can get good birds from unproven pairs, but why chance it?
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Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
949 posts
Dec 23, 2007
10:11 PM
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Mizzo you really surprise me i am tired of going back and forth with you on this to reply to your comment it goes back to know your family of birds my brother thats why i chose to breed out of the bird type temperment character most of all stock what you need listen and listen well learn your family and you might have the confidence to stock certain birds that might take you to the next level remember what you put in thats what comes out take your time and make it right and you should be fine
good luck with your birds
Last Edited by on Dec 23, 2007 10:13 PM
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gotspin7
938 posts
Dec 24, 2007
4:54 AM
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nice job fellas explaining why and why not!
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
956 posts
Dec 24, 2007
5:43 AM
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Sal call me on my cell
Last Edited by on Dec 24, 2007 5:44 AM
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Missouri-Flyer
1149 posts
Dec 24, 2007
9:05 AM
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CSRA,
It's alright to backpetal brother..You and I know the true reason, and thats all that counts!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
958 posts
Dec 24, 2007
10:34 AM
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Mizzo i bet you were one of those guys who thought Mizzo was going to beat okla. right u were wrong lol
Last Edited by on Dec 24, 2007 10:35 AM
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ezeedad
193 posts
Dec 24, 2007
11:04 AM
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I can see that we have a conflict with "old school" and "new school" roller thought.. I guess there is good in both methods, but I have to side with picking a couple here and there to TRY in stock rather than to lose them to the falcons. Later, if fortune has smiled upon you and you have some good ones to pick from that you have flown, you can breed from those too.
Also, I'm sure the problem varies depending on your location, and if predation is very bad you really don't have as much freedom to fly them out really good.
Last Edited by on Dec 24, 2007 5:11 PM
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smoke747
285 posts
Dec 24, 2007
1:10 PM
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GOT THAT RIGHT!!
smoke747
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CSRA
960 posts
Dec 24, 2007
3:44 PM
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Paul sounds good w will have to talk a little more off the record
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ezeedad
196 posts
Dec 24, 2007
5:35 PM
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"A first class pigeon looks like one, insofar as the brilliance of the expression which is given off by the texture of the eye , and a correctly designed head, illustrates outstanding qualities for which it was bred. This description is fullyconfirmed among breeders of long ezperience, and who will invariably agree in the selection of individuals as seen on the ground, as being representative of the highest quality to be found among Birmingham Rollers." ---- Bill Pensom ----
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ideaspin
24 posts
Dec 24, 2007
10:43 PM
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Well said ezeedad (the truth is the truth.)
Johnny S.
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CSRA
967 posts
Dec 25, 2007
7:43 AM
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I agree with you Johnny well said
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rollermanx0
44 posts
Dec 31, 2007
8:00 PM
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I know i'm late , but two of my main cocks were stocked from the nest! this is one of them ICRC 03# 1182 out of my ICRC 02# 1149 x NBRC 97# 647 bred by Milton Rudd... as good a producer as his grandad, my foundation cock
EVRC 97 # 358
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Skylineloft
778 posts
Dec 31, 2007
8:24 PM
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Milton was a great guy.
I would sure like to see him again.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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quickspin
225 posts
Jan 01, 2008
2:04 AM
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Since she was 2 months old the Red Grizzle grab my attention the most. She was the first one to lock in as soon as I call them. She also had a very nice look and expression. Her nest mate was the blue check wf he look lazy back then and also was. You can sometimes tell a little which of the two looks better, but is always best to put them in the air.
Red Grizzle now, and she was my best kit bird for 2007 will see if she continues or not.
Most of the breeders that I have, I have not seen none in the air perform. They were purchase as stock birds already and most were flown by the breeder and some were not. I will see the offspring and choose only the best and start my own family from there.
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gotspin7
1043 posts
Jan 01, 2008
6:33 AM
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Nice Grizzle Rolando.
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Sal Ortiz
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elopez
295 posts
Jan 01, 2008
10:15 AM
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Nice Red Grizzle Rolando. Nice to finaly meet you on Sunday. Hope you had a good time. What family does your Red Grizzle come out of?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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quickspin
228 posts
Jan 01, 2008
10:40 AM
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The Red Grizzle comes out of a pair from Juan Navarro.
Father
Mother
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