smoke747
162 posts
Dec 14, 2007
9:24 AM
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JUST BECAUSE ITS A GOOD SPINNER?
TO REPLACE A LESS PRODUCTIVE BIRD?
TO INPROVE TYPE?
TO MATE TO A CERTAIN BIRD?
TO REPLACE AN OLD BIRD?
BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN COLOR OR MARKINGS?
TO ADD STRENGTH, CHARACTER, EXPRESSION?
TO PUT MORE OF A CERTAIN LINE IN YOUR LOFT?
ALL OF THE ABOVE
YOU OWN REASONS WHY YOU STOCK BIRDS
SMOKE747
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Canspinners
20 posts
Dec 14, 2007
10:29 AM
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Also to protect against loss to BOP
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CSRA
746 posts
Dec 14, 2007
11:02 AM
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All of the above
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maxspin
138 posts
Dec 14, 2007
12:26 PM
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JUST BECAUSE IT’S A GOOD SPINNER?
No birds that I move to the breeder loft have the best whole package available to me. They must also kit, and have decent frequency.
I pull the best kit birds to try in the stock loft.
TO REPLACE A LESS PRODUCTIVE BIRD?
Yes. My current Stock is not giving me an acceptable percentages of usable birds.
TO IMPROVE TYPE?
At this point I pull birds based on performance only.
TO MATE TO A CERTAIN BIRD?
If you are referring to pedigree breeding NO!
It is more the other way around at this point. I may decide to breed the best kit bird back to its parent.
TO REPLACE AN OLD BIRD?
Not there yet.
BECAUSE OF A CERTAIN COLOR OR MARKINGS?
Not just NO!
TO ADD STRENGTH, CHARACTER, EXPRESSION?
I believe that Strength, Character, and Expression should be defined by what the bird does, not by how it looks.
TO PUT MORE OF A CERTAIN LINE IN YOUR LOFT?
I have started working with a new family. I do not intend to cross them. If I like them I will be replacing the old family when I add new birds to the stock loft.
Keith Maxwell
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
123 posts
Dec 14, 2007
12:31 PM
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Im happy with what i have,if i stock somthing its becouse eather parent is at least 10 years old,otherwise ill fly it until i stupidly feed it to the hawks,LOL
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Hector Coya
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Missouri-Flyer
1099 posts
Dec 14, 2007
12:54 PM
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Smoke,
For alot of fanciers, the reason for stocking certain birds would include those you have posted, and also for the simple fact that they need more birds in the breeder loft to breed more numbers, simple as that..Those that get eaten up bad put more numbers into the stock loft to breed more young to replace those they have lost.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Mount Airy Lofts
320 posts
Dec 14, 2007
3:00 PM
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I stock because it is better than what I have. There is all ways room for improvement... That is why I stock. Forward progress!!
Thor
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PR_rollers
243 posts
Dec 14, 2007
3:15 PM
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I agree with thor,,room for improvement..is always there if you have good birds..keep breeding for it ,,I read somewhere Pensom had 40 pairs to breed from,in one year he had 400 birds. thats why he had so many Champion.
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Ralph....
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Skylineloft
560 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:08 PM
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This was a question Johnny Smith and I where talking about this year.
He said something that made so much sense, so here is what he said.
IM always looking to improve my stock. Its like they are competing for there position to be a part of the team. No one bird is safe. When you have a bird that is better then one of the birds in your stock pen, you must put that bird away and move on from the other.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
124 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:23 PM
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Do you actualy think the one on your kit is better or is it that people forget how good the bird you but away 4 years ago was, that now you think the one that is flying now is better.
How much better can we make them?
Ive seen many kits some real good some not but theres a point that they cant get any faster or deeper,i think a real good bird of today is not any better than a real good bird of 30 years ago.my opinion.
It think it goes with the saying,, the grass is always greener/
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Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2007 4:29 PM
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Donny James
185 posts
Dec 14, 2007
5:10 PM
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all of above..................donnyjames
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classicpony
598 posts
Dec 15, 2007
9:04 AM
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To keep BOP'z from starving during the winter months.
Making sure the BOP'z get only grain feed birds.
Cause we just like the little guys.
LoL :)
Jim
Illinois
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Missouri-Flyer
1113 posts
Dec 15, 2007
9:15 AM
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Jim,
he asked why we stock pigeons, not stuff them...LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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elopez
142 posts
Dec 16, 2007
12:53 AM
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Hector,
I have to disagree with you on this one, I think that the birds can always get better, whether it's speed, type, quality, kitting, frequency...
I believe in breeding, my goal is to produce better birds than my current breeders, then breed those and so on and so on. So in saying this, hopefully in x amount of years from now my birds would be much better than today's birds.
However you do make a point on knowing for sure how a bird performed 4 or so years ago. But it comes down to how the bird is breeding.
Just my opinion, you know I have much respect for you and your opinion and knowledge in the hobby.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
Last Edited by on Dec 16, 2007 11:35 AM
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gotspin7
832 posts
Dec 17, 2007
5:36 AM
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Smoke, all of the above! I stock what I need.LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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maxspin
139 posts
Dec 17, 2007
6:26 AM
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Hector,
I am looking to improve the percentages of usable birds that I get from my stock loft.
Just because the bird I pulled 4 years ago was a great kit bird does not mean that it is a great stock bird. If it has not produced up to my ever increasing expectations, I will be looking to replace it in the stock loft.
When the percentages of usable birds gets to where I want, then I will be looking to replace with birds that produce higher percentages of quality bird, not just usable birds.
I believe that there is always room to improve your stock loft.
Could be that when I am looking at my A-Team there is a larger proportion of birds from a certain pair that have survived the BOB for 2+ years. That may be something to look at as well.
Keith Maxwell
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smoke747
182 posts
Dec 17, 2007
11:05 AM
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maxspin, it does seem like the young from some pairs get hit and others just seem to survive. unfortunatly there are not the top birds.
smoke747
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
125 posts
Dec 17, 2007
11:19 AM
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Maxspinn
my point is that ive had my family of rollers since 1982 and had others before that,i can still recal one of my favorite birds of my life,this was a 1978 hen,this hen whould spinn 10-20-50ft what ever she wanted with the most speed you whould ever see,if that bird was that good then,how much more have we improoved the breed?
I have seen many kits and many very good birds,but i cant say that hen in 1978 was any better or less of, than todays best birds.
If my birds are not any better its becouse of me not the birds,they will always be good if you know how to pair them.
Some people havent had rollers for more than 5 years and think the breed started when they did,believe me thes rollers where spinning ther a,, off way before Pensom.
We cant improove that speed and quality,we can improove the % of good once we get.
My opinion Hector C
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Hector Coya
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maxspin
142 posts
Dec 17, 2007
11:37 AM
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Hector,
If that 1978 hen was as good in the stock loft as she was in the air, then she would never get replaced. I would be trying son's and daughters off of her to try to get a whole stock loft full.
We are in a much different point establishing our stock loft. I have many, many years to go to catch up with you.
Keith
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
126 posts
Dec 17, 2007
11:48 AM
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I just think people forget how good there birds where a few years ago,(if they where good).
I think that if you have your very best cock you can ever imagine and put it to the best hen you ever saw,they are not going to produce any better,they will produce i good % of birds that are the best you ever seen this year LOL.
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Hector Coya
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J_Star
1476 posts
Dec 17, 2007
6:11 PM
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Each breeder can take their stock back or move them forward. The problem is it takes several years to see the movement in either the plus side or the negative side. It will take another several years to correct poor decisions made years ago when the outcome is realized.
Jay
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bigwilly
120 posts
Dec 18, 2007
12:42 AM
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We stock pigeons because the BOPs has us all ready to U know what in our pants.LOL
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