pat66
60 posts
Dec 14, 2007
11:01 AM
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Can anyone post a list of hard and soft colors,heard it is best to breed soft to hard instead of soft to soft and hard to hard!
PAT
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Missouri-Flyer
1100 posts
Dec 14, 2007
1:04 PM
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Hard:
Soft:
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2007 1:24 PM
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JayThor
18 posts
Dec 14, 2007
1:21 PM
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Are the white flights on that dark check considered soft?
Jay Thor
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Missouri-Flyer
1102 posts
Dec 14, 2007
1:26 PM
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Jay,
I would consider it a harder colored bird, due to the dark check, with minimal white..Here is another example.
here is a Y/B
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2007 1:29 PM
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JayThor
19 posts
Dec 14, 2007
1:41 PM
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Oh ok thanks. So when refering to hard and soft colored birds the flights are not important. I was always just told that whites were soft and blues and reds were dark. So I was just wondering about white flights.
What does it mean to be hard colored and soft? Are the darker birds feathers really harder?
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Missouri-Flyer
1104 posts
Dec 14, 2007
1:41 PM
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Would you consider a R/R as a hard or soft colored bird..example:
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2007 1:42 PM
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JayThor
20 posts
Dec 14, 2007
1:49 PM
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I would say hard. Correct?
Jay Thor
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PR_rollers
248 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:56 PM
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I would say soft ,,?? by the way Jerry nice birds
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Ralph....
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
690 posts
Dec 14, 2007
4:59 PM
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Nice R&R JERRY..........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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smk
63 posts
Dec 14, 2007
8:19 PM
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I'm not sure I believe you can call a certain color hard or soft it has been my experience that hard and soft feather birds come in all colors
scott
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3757
402 posts
Dec 15, 2007
1:30 AM
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Pat - Bruce Cooper has basically bred what is referred to as hard colors for 40 years. Monty Niebel also did the same and the birds are frequent and fast. The genetic information that is out now is remarkable and I believe if Bill Pensom were alive today he would ____can the belief that dark colors birds are seldom as a general blanket statement.. He may say that he had certain lines that because of the high velocity he bred the birds but they were infrequent and thus perpetuated the infrequency in that line. Monty won the world cup three times and I do not believe there was a grizzle in the bunch. It is like saying because someone has a certain skin color their abilities are lessened or increased and we know that is not true.
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pat66
61 posts
Dec 15, 2007
4:53 AM
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Thanks Guys,
LaRon,the reason I was asking is because someone told me if you breed hard to hard and soft to soft after some time of breeding that way you would start to loose the depth,velosity,and frequency after some time so since I am basically new, only in it for 5 yrs. I can always learn new things and you never know unless you ask!!! but your comment on color did make sense, now I know which direction I am heading for next years breeding season, its almost like another holiday when you put new pairs together,
Pat
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gotspin7
812 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:05 AM
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Pat, right on it is like Christmas to me!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
813 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:07 AM
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Pat, adding to what Laron said that is also like saying that only certain families or bloodlines produce spinners!
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
753 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:15 AM
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Sal you are something else
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3757
403 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:26 AM
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Sal - I would like to add more on this issue of breeding high velocity spinners because my writings have been so misinterpreted. If a person breeds for roll downs year after year for 10 years consistently stocking loose sloppy birds I do not believe that strain will produce high velocity spinners because they have genetically been changed to produce what went into them. That is my clarification on what I meant saying some families are not going to produce high velocity spinners in any type of abundance if at all. Also, maybe no one on this forum does this but there are individuals who consistently stock birds as I described. Think of the kid in the inner city who does not have a good network to get great birds and does this from 8 until he or she is 18. That does become their strain. This is what is meant by my statement and I still stand by it and saying some families will not produce high velocity because of the reasons above. This is actually the hardest bird to produce in abundance and this is what Bill Pensom's focus was. Or another example, if you start stocking pigeons that take 3 years to come in and only tumble once or twice you will eventual change the genetic structure and will have the majority of birds come in late and tumble. Even if that family produced one bird in 10 years that spun then that strain would not be classified as producing spinners. We assume that the newbie is on our level and this is not the case.
Dr. LD
Last Edited by on Dec 15, 2007 6:31 AM
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gotspin7
822 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:38 AM
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Laron, I just wanted for you to clarify that is all, and I will say that I agree with you, I was that kid once!LOL! It is all of what you put in your family of birds that will be your end result! Laron, my offer in the spring still stands I would love to see some of your spinners.
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
759 posts
Dec 15, 2007
6:44 AM
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Laron very good job
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Mount Airy Lofts
322 posts
Dec 15, 2007
2:00 PM
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I have seen hard colors possess loose feathers just as soft colors possess tight feathers. I think the rule of thumb most breeders use is to pair 2 unlike colors together to try to balance the feathers. I don't know why they would term it color balance when it has more to do with feather balance - more so than colors.
Thor
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J T
88 posts
Dec 15, 2007
2:22 PM
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Thamks for the great Pics;
Missouri Fyler.
Do you have some more or some of your loft?
JT
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gotspin7
827 posts
Dec 16, 2007
6:06 AM
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Thor, good post.
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Sal Ortiz
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PR_rollers
267 posts
Dec 16, 2007
8:22 AM
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Laron,,quote We assume that the newbie is on our level and this is not the case. so true those words are spoken,,
sometimes we talk about feeding our birds a certain way to make them perform and forget the newbie is not on our level when we really talking about mature birds and then they go feed the youngster what they heard, not knowing youngster are fed a high protein diet to developed there body's in their growing stages.----------
Ralph....
Last Edited by on Apr 01, 2009 6:45 PM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2807 posts
Apr 01, 2009
6:50 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
"Would you consider a R/R as a hard or soft colored bird"..
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
Last Edited by on Apr 01, 2009 6:50 PM
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cr250
250 posts
Apr 01, 2009
7:19 PM
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Grizzle is also soft.
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