elopez
149 posts
Dec 17, 2007
10:42 AM
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Interesting, I'm sure I wouldn't mind having a few cloned. I wonder how much something like this would cost?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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smoke747
181 posts
Dec 17, 2007
10:55 AM
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I think this would be a good thing to a certain degree, but the challenge of breeding good rollers would become dull and less exciting. Just my thoughts.
smoke747
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ezeedad
161 posts
Dec 17, 2007
11:03 AM
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Hey Efren,
How's it going.? It's never been done, but lots of mammals have been cloned. All these kinds of things are very expensove till they figure out how to do it. Then it will get cheaper and cheaper, and maybe they'll be doing it in high school labs some day.. Cloning mammals is already being done commercially with cattle and pigs.
Also people are talking about bringing back extinct animals like mammoths dodo birds and passenger pigeons. Here's what you have to do, basically.
Cloning in general works like this:
Remove the nucleus from a donor cell (a cell from the organism you are cloning).
Remove the nucleus of a host egg and replace it with the donor nucleus.
Stimulate the egg cell so it begins dividing as if it were fertilized.
Implant egg cell into appropriate host mother.
Wait for clone to be born.
Since we're dealing with birds, which have very large and delicate egg cells, the implanting part becomes very difficult. No one has successfully cloned any birds yet, just mammals.
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ezeedad
162 posts
Dec 17, 2007
11:11 AM
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I hear you Keith,
But we wouldn't have to be as careful about losing the
good ones if we could make more of them. And you still
have to produce the good ones in the first place, so I
don't think it could ever take the place of the breeder.
We still have to deal with training and flying the birds
and all the other things that enter into competition.
Also there could be many different types of clone lines
out there they would be crossed back to uncloned birds...
It could be very interesting I think.
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ROLLERMAN
189 posts
Dec 17, 2007
2:05 PM
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Yes and didnt the 1st 2 sheep cloned end up with problems. didnt they die.remmber that old saying.
YOU shouldnt fool with mother nature.
but then again just think. when your wife says i want too have another baby all she has to do is call in her order
LOL
AL
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2007 2:06 PM
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Donny James
194 posts
Dec 17, 2007
2:31 PM
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hay paul, thanks for the info i learned a lot from that .....................donny james
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black_hawk_down
61 posts
Dec 17, 2007
2:42 PM
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cloning would change everything about the roller pigeon hobby...it just wouldnt be fun anymore and cloning would be expensive in the first place. guys all over the place would be winning the W/C and taking away other guy's hard work.-joe
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ezeedad
163 posts
Dec 17, 2007
4:36 PM
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I've been thinking about this and reading what's been
said...
If it ever does happen, wouldn't the first one(s) be all
the same sex, since they were taken from the "champ"..?
So what would the owner do with it, or them... I would
think that they'd breed it for all it was worth..
They would have to be a millionaire I would think, to
make lots of them.. So that's not gonna happen..
It would be VERY INTERESTING to me... that's all...
Donny,
Glad to hear that kind of comment... Thanks
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2007 4:37 PM
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J_Star
1473 posts
Dec 17, 2007
5:44 PM
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I will be much more proud when I create a champion from my breeding skills than to pay any amount of money to make one. It is the pride and joy that any of us treasure knowing that the stock at hand are capable of producing champions which makes this hobby so much more interesting and keep us going.
There are two camps in this hobby that I realize. The camp that will befriend top fanciers to acquire their life long achievements to start the bragging machine while others who use their hard work to bring an above average stock to be of champion caliber utilizing selection and sound inbreeding methodology. I like to be from the second camp...then the bragging rights are earned. That is my take...
Jay
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2007 5:47 PM
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smoke747
188 posts
Dec 17, 2007
9:32 PM
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CLONING IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT NOT FOR ROLLERS. TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR HUMANS, FOOD, CLOTHING,GUARD DOGS, AND ANIMALS THAT MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR DISABLE PEOPLE. ALL THAT IS COOL. BUT IF YOU ARE NOT RICH, YOU WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
NOW YOUR TOOL TO MEASURE ROLLS PER SECOND, EXCELLENT! THAT WAY WE COULD TRULY KNOW WHO HAS THE FASTEST PIGEON/S
SMOKE747
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2007 10:14 PM
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parlorfancier916
420 posts
Dec 17, 2007
9:44 PM
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cloning is interesting but I like the old way better, where nature did it's part not by some humans who are trying to play god. The reality of a good kit is the individual performances of each bird that contributes to the breaks, what I mean is, you just don't want a bunch of robots performing do you?
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Nrhoua (Doua) Xiong
4581 25th ave. sacramento C.A. 95820
http://freewebs.com/parlorrollers
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PR_rollers
273 posts
Dec 17, 2007
9:45 PM
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smoke, cloning is interesting but not for rollers... or humans. they been talking about this on humans. but alot of people against it..who knows maybe they already doing it in other parts of the world and we don't know about it. they can clone a human being to look alike but they would never clone his spirit ,,no one can clone that only God..it won't be the same person in the inside..
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Ralph....
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parlorfancier916
422 posts
Dec 17, 2007
9:50 PM
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ralph there that's what I meant by robots lol...
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Nrhoua (Doua) Xiong
4581 25th ave. sacramento C.A. 95820
http://freewebs.com/parlorrollers
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bigwilly
122 posts
Dec 18, 2007
12:52 AM
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Paul. You must be a science teacher.lol
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CSRA
784 posts
Dec 18, 2007
1:30 AM
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Paul very good topic thanks for sharing very good job
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gotspin7
842 posts
Dec 18, 2007
4:47 AM
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Paul, I enjoyed reading! Interesting lol!
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Sal Ortiz
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silentroll
271 posts
Dec 18, 2007
10:12 AM
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Cloning a roller pigeon is not a roller pigeon...
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Skylineloft
584 posts
Dec 18, 2007
10:16 AM
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Marcus,
How much longer will it be before you have birds flying at your new property ?
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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DeepSpinLofts
192 posts
Dec 18, 2007
10:30 AM
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Ray... it's storming quite intensely outside right now and I'm currently in the process of training 6 young birds to their new environment.
NOTE: The habitat where I currently live appears to have more BOP on the wing than my prior residence. There was a mature "Redtail" flying nearby in the vicinity. As a matter of fact, I think this is the same BOP that attacked my kit box 2 weeks ago.
Hmmm... I should have a decent kit up around April 2008.
Take care.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 10:30 AM
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smoke747
199 posts
Dec 18, 2007
10:31 AM
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hey marcus,
this is your buddy k.london. you got to put-um up now and prove you can back up all that knowledge with actual performance.
just givin you a heads up.
smoke747
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DeepSpinLofts
193 posts
Dec 18, 2007
10:44 AM
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Hi Keith....
I'm headed out to the garage to pump a little iron. Stackin three 45lb Olympic plates on each side (315lbs)... and one 35lb plate on each side (70lbs). Trying to see if I can still hit close to 400lbs @ AGE 42. I refuse to get old!
My work-out partna will spot me.
{P.S.} How's that home gym coming along there buddy????
Holla...
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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smoke747
203 posts
Dec 18, 2007
10:58 AM
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What up big MARCUS? I never got that high. I was a dunker not a lifter. Just lifted weights to be able to bounce people around in the paint. Now I just teach the game and breed my birds to ball up. same rush less physical stress.
smoke747
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Steve_uk
292 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:04 AM
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Were do i get 1 of these kits?
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DeepSpinLofts
194 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:10 AM
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Yeah Keith I noticed you were kind of tall there. 6ft 4inch or something. You look like a balla on a movie I had watched a few years back called "HOOP DREAMS".
Gotta run back out to the garage and spot my homey on the bench. Talk to you later and "Seasons Greetings" from all of us here @ Deep Spin Lofts in Northern Cali.
Marcus
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ezeedad
166 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:13 AM
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Mule Joins List of Cloned Animals
Racing Industry Drives Science to Create Genetic Copy
by Joe Palca
See a picture of Idaho Gem and his mother. The world's first mule clone, Idaho Gem. University of Idaho © 2003
Enlarge image. Vassar PhotographyIdaho Gem's brother, Taz, a champion racing mule.
All Things Considered, May 29, 2003 · Scientists in Idaho have produced the world's first cloned mule. So far, the mule, born May 4, is the only member of the horse family to be successfully cloned. The project took almost five years and millions of dollars, but as NPR's Joe Palca reports, scientific interest wasn't the only motivation.
Every Memorial Day weekend, a mule festival takes over the town of Bishop, California. There are mule shoeing contests, mule driving demonstrations, and mule racing. Don Jacklin was a stranger to mules until he visited the mule festival in the 1970s.
"I just plain got hooked on mule racing," says Jacklin. "Came home, and bred a mare for the purpose of mule racing, and went down and entered a few years later myself. Excuse the pun of the term, but I got my ass kicked."
But Jacklin is no quitter......
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