smoke747
204 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:03 AM
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in my area i'm 80% sure that the falcons(SOME) belong to private owners. maybe we can make a deal with them to donate birds most likely culls so they train their birds. the deal would be, they have to go to desinated area away from our kits and do their trainning, we will supply the birds and they can train and have their comp to see who's bop catches the prey first. just a thought
it will not get rid of the ones that migrate but it shouldcut the attacks down with out breaking any laws.
(IF THEY AGREE)
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 11:13 AM
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Double R
184 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:46 AM
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Smoke,
That sounds like a good idea (if they would only agree)! That would make things alot easier on you guys out there. I feel sorry for all you guys that have to deal with the falcon attacks. The only BOPs that I have snacking on my birds are coopers and that's just every now and then.
Robby
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
129 posts
Dec 18, 2007
12:09 PM
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Kieth
I think that if somone invented somethink we can spray on them to repel the BOP with bad taste and smell,eventually they whould get tired of killing pigeons that they cant eat,we can change there eating habits if the food taste bad.
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Hector Coya
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J_Star
1491 posts
Dec 18, 2007
1:03 PM
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Let me asure you that falconers don't fly their falcons during the summer months due of the molt. If any falconer found to disregard the safty of their falcons during the molt, they will be punished by the Wild Life and Fish agency.
Hector, no matter what you spray on them, no avail. It is in their gene since being in the egg to learn to hunt pegions and small birds. You can't change that.
Jay
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 1:05 PM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
130 posts
Dec 18, 2007
1:21 PM
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Jay
i think you can change their eating habits,the reason i think that way is that ther is about 25 wild pigeons down the street from me,less than a block away,they never attack those birds,why not? if my birds taste bad maybe he whould go for the wild birds if all domestic birds had a funny taste to them.they whould lern to go for wild birds in parkinglots.
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Hector Coya
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DUCKS N ROLLERS
91 posts
Dec 18, 2007
2:42 PM
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HECTOR,
THE BOP WILL NOT TOUCH ANY OF THE COMMYS AROUND HERE EITHER.
I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SAME IDEA ....
I WAS THINKING MAYBE SOMETHING NATURAL LIKE A GARLIC SPRAY?
HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE NO AFFECT WHEN THEY PREEN THERE FEATHERS.....HHHHHHHHMMMMMM HAS TO BE SOMETHING!
MIKE BARRY.
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 2:44 PM
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Oldfart
339 posts
Dec 18, 2007
3:47 PM
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Where I live there are large flocks of wild pegions that move from the city to the open fields and back each day. I have watched them closely for a long time, yet I have not witnessed the first attack. Why??? The BOP are all over mine yet never touch the wild ones! Again, why?? Anyone know?
Thom
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Canspinners
30 posts
Dec 18, 2007
4:02 PM
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When the rollers go into a spin the bop think the bird is injured and are drawn to the flapping of the wings.Eventually the flock becomes part of the bop reqular menu
Could also be because the retails are often iinthe area of the larger flocks of wild birds . IN my area i see large flocks of wild birds with red tails circling near by .
just some thoughts ,pure speculation
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JMUrbon
306 posts
Dec 18, 2007
4:02 PM
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Guys I have witnessed coopers and falcons hitting stray birds but never to the extent that they hit rollers. You have got to realize that rollers are tailor made for them. If they miss they just have to hang around a bit because the rollers are comming back. Also the roll itself is a major attractant to birds of prey.
I understand the concept of flying them because that is what we bred them for but I also look at the moral issues behind it. You wouldn't send your dog out if you knew there was a lion waiting out back for them. Nor would you send your kids out to play in the street dodging cars. to me it is the same thing. I personally feel that if I am not confident I will get them back then they don't go out. Lock them up during the heavy preditor monthes and you will be thanking yourself in less than a year and wondering why you hadn't been doing it all along. JMHO. Joe Urbon
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smoke747
205 posts
Dec 18, 2007
4:45 PM
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j-STAR,
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TEATHERS ON FALCONS LEGGS. I'VE WITNESSED THIS AT MY HOMEIN LA AND AT ANOTHER FLYERS HOUSE IN THE VALLEY. THESE FALCONS SEEM TO DISSAPEAR A BLOCK AWAY AND THEY ARE UNUSUALLY AGRESSIVE,COMMING DOWN TO THE ROOF TOPS AND ALMOST HUVERING. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WE CAN BE HAPPY BY WORKING WITH THEM.
SMOKE747
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2008 posts
Dec 18, 2007
4:49 PM
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As for bop being more attracted to rollers than the feral pigeons, for starters the feral pigeons have spent a lifetime (short as it may be) learning about and avoiding predators.
I notice they mostly fly from point A to point B, minimal time in the air reduces window of opportunity. On the other hand, Rollers fly regularly in large groups, fly in circles for 30 minutes and longer, looking like injured birds. Sorta like a blinking neon sign saying "GOOD EATS HERE"
Joe is correct, learn to lock-down today so you will be able to fly tomorrow. Been doing it for years.
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Today I was going to let my A-Team out to stretch their wings but thankfully, Joni noticed a very white looking hawk through the office window hunting in the field next to our property. Needless to say, I kept the birds in.
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DUCKS N ROLLERS
93 posts
Dec 18, 2007
4:58 PM
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Tony,
i have kept my rubys in lockup since i got them from you.
bop showed up shortly after i got them so i have not been able to fly em.
someday i hope !
mike barry.
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smoke747
207 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:04 PM
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TONY I AGRE WITH GUYS BY LOCKING THEM UP. I GOT KILLED THE ENTIRE SUMMER. COMMIES SEEM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HAWKS AND THE FALCON. WHEN A REDTAIL OR COOPER COMES CLOSE THEY TAKE OFF AND FLY BEHIND THEM, BUT WHEN A FALCON IS NEAR THEY HIDE. CROWS AND EVERYTHING GET OUT OF THE SKY. I GUESS THEY ARE THE BOSS WHEN THEY ARE AROUND.
SMOKE747
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2009 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:08 PM
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Hey Mike, too bad about not being able to fly them. Were they able to get any air-time before lock down?
Also, is it your son that designs logos? If so, could you have him contact me? Thanks.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2010 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:12 PM
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Hey smoke, sorry to hear you lost birds all summer. Remember, these bop are creatures of habit, once they get used to eating at your place on a regular basis, you will have nothing but problems.
I lived in Bellflower, CA and had few problems with bop. The guys around me seemed to lose birds all the time. They could not lock down, just had to watch em roll.
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smoke747
208 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:20 PM
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TONY, DID I MEET YOU WHEN YOU WERE HERE. I'VE BEEN FLYING WITH THE ICRC SINCE 1993.
SMOKE747
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DUCKS N ROLLERS
94 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:40 PM
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tony,
sad to say no, i did not get any fly time
i had the birds all set up for training on a weakend and the bop showed up on the thursday prior to that.
the birds are biting at the bit to get out and fly.
everytime i open the loft door they look at me as if to say, can we fly today?
mike barry
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2012 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:41 PM
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Hey smoke, not unless we met at Sal Estrada's or maybe Rod Fomby's back in the 90's.
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Oldfart
340 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:43 PM
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Hey All, As far as the wild pigeons go, I was courious as to why they seem to be able to fly from point A to point B without any attack. I can't say for sure because I am unable to see them all the way on their flight. The only obvious difference other then physical action, is color. Most of the Cooper attacks my birds sustained were on red chks. Was it just the luck of the draw or are the Cooper's at least drawn to this color? I have one red chk. hen that was hit three different times but still not only survived but is one of my best. I plan on using her to mother my fledgling kit next year. My hope is she can teach them when to run. Something or nothing, probably just oldfart ramblings!
Thom
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 5:44 PM
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DUCKS N ROLLERS
95 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:49 PM
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tony,
yes mike is a wiz at photoshop type stuff,i will have him get in touch with you.
mike.
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RXR Loft
133 posts
Dec 18, 2007
5:49 PM
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My two cents….
I believe we are becoming over populated with BOP’s..
In the 1970’s when DDT was discovered to be killing wild life. A great number of BOP’s were lost, Therefore not many attacks.
Since then BOP’s have been protected by federal government agencies, allowing their numbers to increase.
I wonder if the fed’s have a idea of how many birds will be considered “NORMAL LEVALS” and if these levels are surpassed will anything be done?
I remember in the news some place a golf course had geese that over ran the place and drastic measures were taken..
I love birds of all kinds..
I think the government should help control the increased population..
In the years that I have had pigeons
From 1973-1983 I lost only one bird due to bop’s..
I have recently started back in the hobby and in the first 90 days I lost one…
Something has to be done, and we all can work together.
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Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 5:50 PM
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J_Star
1493 posts
Dec 18, 2007
6:32 PM
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Smoke,
Every falconer should have a Jessie in each falcon leg. Look at the attacking falcon if he has them both when he gets close. If they do, be prepared to call the Wild Life and Fish agency that represents your county and make a complaint. First drive around the neighborhood to catch the bastered. Usually you will find them parked at the edge of a pubic park, school parking lot or an empty business building parking lot. They usually drive a van or a truck. First notice the direction where the falcon came from and go search that area. Once you find him, take the license plate number and the description of the vehicle, then call the agency and make a complaint. They will peruse it and will revoke his permit and will never be able to ever become a falconer.
I had a problem with a falcon this past summer that had only one jess. I searched the neighborhood when I seen the falcon coming and I found the ass and reported him. That is how I found out about all this information. It is against the law for a falconer to fly in the city limits also, he could be fined big time by the courts and ordered to pay restitution if you pursue it further with the authorities. You guys don't need to put up with this shit.
The reason why the falcons are not seen attacking commies is simply because commies don't fly past tree tops and they fly from point A to B and that is it. I see the hawks after the commies around my neighborhood everyday because of wild birds feeders the neighbors across the street have. If you have a neighbor or neighbors feeding wild birds and birds come to eat certain times of the day, the hawks will never leave your area. Talk to your neighbors if they can stop feeding wild birds!!! Also falcons and hawks can only see a flock of birds and move for an attack. Remember our birds like to go up to about 500 to 600" for their performance and that is when they draw attention especially to falcons. Hawks are a tree top kind of performer and that is when they use their telent of ambush. Try to fly 4 birds at one time; you will not get hit by a falcon or a hawk. A hawk maybe if he is perched on a tree close by.
Jay
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 6:40 PM
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dmitch
42 posts
Dec 18, 2007
7:54 PM
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flying culls on birth control.No more culls.
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bman
526 posts
Dec 19, 2007
4:48 AM
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I have seen a lot of commies taken by hawks. It always happens when they are feeding on the ground. If pursued while flying they just bug-out in a straight line till they out run the preds. In fact most were taken by redtails........Where I am seldom bothered by them.(redtails) I think Joe mentioned our birds continue to circle and return to the loft to be hit again.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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CSRA
801 posts
Dec 19, 2007
5:53 AM
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I like that i was trying to contact one of the falcon guys to come an try to clear out my area of any falcons no success i will keep trying
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SiDLoVE
92 posts
Dec 19, 2007
8:37 AM
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Shunk Smell spray. Thatll keeep both you and everything away ...LMAO
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 3:28 PM
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elopez
152 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:12 AM
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What about a recording of an eagle owl? Maybe one if it attacking? If we play it prior to flying or maybe when one appears do you thing it may scare the bop's away? I found some spray that they use to for large birds like ducks and goose. It is sprayed on grass, trees and plants to give them a very bad taste and they leave the area and move on to other areas. Do you think if we were to spray our rollers with this and if a bop cought one it would move onto other area's were the birds dont taste as bad? I know that I've been told that it's just bop's passing by and that most of the time it is a different bop if this is true then this wouldn't work but it seems to me that I'll get hit by the same ones for a few months? Just some thoughts, not sure if these idea's will work?
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Efren Lopez
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Built4Speed
3 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:32 AM
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Smoke,
Back to your original post, I had a gentlemen training his falcon at a park across the street from where I live and I put a stop to him real quick, he needed a permit, and the sherriffs sited him after they saw what I was talking about, the falcon was chasing my birds and I called the sherriff's to witness it from my back yard. I had previously warned him that he had to go elsewhere but he didn't listen, so I did what I had to do to protect my birds, luckly alot of my good friends are in law enforcment and understand what I go through with bop's.
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Dale
SGVS
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elopez
1547 posts
Jul 01, 2008
12:55 PM
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Just checking if anyone else has had any success with dealing with the bop's. Getting killed these days...
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Efren Lopez
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SSLOFTS
48 posts
Jul 02, 2008
3:10 PM
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Jay,It's not illegal for a falconer to fly his bird during the molt.They just can't hunt species out of season.Smoke747,the bird your seeing may be lost,you might want to try and contact your state falconry club,some of the guys will pay a BIG reward for helping them get their bird back.You don't even want to know what some of the birds cost.Falconers don't just let their birds fly around and find something to chase.A specific bird is flushed for them usally with the help of a dog on point. Efran,I don't think you'd have much luck with the eagle owl tape.They are an European species,so our native raptors have probably never heard one. Nick
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Square
402 posts
Jul 06, 2008
10:17 PM
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Man Somke great topic.. Ive used 'Ropel' in the past and it seemed to work..other than that I have no other great ideas...LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ill just sit back and watch,, now that ive joined the $25,000 club!! really weird how "Buddies" tend to stray away once you become a member of this perticular club!!! but just like my father said 'too many friend too close , you might collaps from a overdose!!!!!!!!!" kinda weird when you get trown under the bus,,people wonder how your legs got broken..Un F*^#!NG real. Im still the same guy, just my Buddies have changed...LOL Cowards, Cornballs,and Benidict Arnold's, all come to the light when the going gets tough.. LOL..and even after becoming a part af this relitively small club, I still represent that really small town I come from called "NEVER BONE A BRO",
TRULY, SQUARE!!!!!
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