smoke747
210 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:18 PM
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does temperament play a part in performance or the flying ability of rollers? if so what part?
in whp's book he says a bird must have it and that we should study and breed for it.
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 11:22 PM
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SpinCityRollers
7 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:24 PM
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temperment has alot to do with it
it makes and breeak the bird
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smoke747
211 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:26 PM
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marlon where you been?
how does it make or break the bird?
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 11:27 PM
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SpinCityRollers
8 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:29 PM
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how deos it matter was the question right
I really dont know and cannot give a educated answer on that. butit seems the goods ones alway have something extra special or sweet about them that make you fall in luv
so i just focus on the air and dont get involve or (sidetrack )with trying to figure sh-t out
we are not scientist
so i leave it to god and just roll them hard!!!!!
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SpinCityRollers
9 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:29 PM
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can i fly in the money fly
Last Edited by on Dec 18, 2007 11:31 PM
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smoke747
212 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:40 PM
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ok, here we go. the reason why i asked is, i noticed something while flying my birds. igot hit by a bop and the kit dodged and flew fast and got back together and relaxed like nothing ever happened. there were a few birds that always did their own thing and flew miles away then came back later. when i got the birds back in, i put in the show pens 1 by 1 and noticed that the birds that left the kit when a bop hit were on the jumpy/wild side and the ones that stuck to the kit were more calm. therefor returning to their natural performance.
smoke747
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SpinCityRollers
12 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:46 PM
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(Moderated) he aint stupid
who wants to get eaten alive after that (moderated) he dont want nothing to catch his ass anymore not even you
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 9:11 PM
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SpinCityRollers
13 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:49 PM
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if you come from a place where they shoot alot you always stay jumpy same way. on the serious note with the birds i believe the it is genetic though in the bird i believe it can be passed on in pigeons the hyper activity is a fault i cull them all the time
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SpinCityRollers
14 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:51 PM
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being to smart too is a fault having your own mind can get you killed around here
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smoke747
214 posts
Dec 18, 2007
11:57 PM
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come on now ilive where it is always heated and i don't walk around jumpy. but has nothin to do with rollers. thats a book that need not be opened.
you say it does not want to be eaten. birds like that will leave the kit even if a crow or gull flies by. that is a little to skittish.
smoke747
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SpinCityRollers
16 posts
Dec 19, 2007
12:02 AM
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mine run from little sparrow (chi chi)but I think Temperment is geneticly linked i think it can be past on from bird to bird like if a bird come down early it can pass that shit on clapping high strung all passed on getting shot by max priceless.
that why they better fly and let me catch them when i want to or I swat them down out the air that usaully calm them down (dazed)
Mad max
spincityrollers.com
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 12:03 AM
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smoke747
215 posts
Dec 19, 2007
12:02 AM
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you know what, if it wont take too much money from the pot for my expenses sure, why not. pot needs to stay jucy for the winner
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 12:05 AM
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SpinCityRollers
17 posts
Dec 19, 2007
12:04 AM
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Am in
hit me (702)324-3110
well discuss
Madmax
Spincityroller.com
I believe bird With high temperment tend to fly high and faster the saldana birds where very high tempered the O,Lette some of them are the same the higgins,johnny smith bird are mellow tends to float like a butterfly sometimess(wow) the reed stuff goes either way dependingon the time(year) and place(who) you purchased it from
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 12:15 AM
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SSCaliSpinners
7 posts
Dec 19, 2007
5:45 AM
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Temperment is a very special piece of the puzzle it allows your birds to be able to be calm and stay focus on performing, basically stay in control of itself for performing and for you to evaluate them rather be aerial, show pen judging and handling from my past evaluations on life a person that has a bad temper seems to be a problem lol
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Missouri-Flyer
1118 posts
Dec 19, 2007
6:50 AM
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Keith,
The skittishness you described after putting the birds into the show pen, would be a normal reaction for anything that had just been threatened with it's life. I see it as the ones that were still AWARE "skittish" after you placed them in the pen, are the ones that I would want to stay focused on. They will be your smarter birds, and more prone to pay attention to what is happening around them.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Skylineloft
591 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:37 AM
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I agree with SSCaliSpinners.....
Temperament is important in your family of birds. I think it is this type of bird that is able to calm down in the air as a team and give you the big breaks that you see in Champion kits!!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Built4Speed
4 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:48 AM
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Keith,
My 272 family are the most squirmiest family I have ever seen, they tend to freak out especially in the show pen, but in the sky they are one of the fastest families I have seen, to me personally, Breeding for competition, I really dont pay to much attention to there temperment in a show pen unless i am breeding for show trophies, what they do in the sky is the most important thing to me. just my two cents!
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Dale
SGVS
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J_Star
1500 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:35 AM
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It appears to be that everyone has different definition or meaning for the word Temperament. Can you guys define or describe your understanding of Temperament so that we can hone in on the meaning. Thanks.
I define it or understand it as the bird lack aggression behavior and disturbance in the loft. Tameness and easy to handle from feeding all the way to caring and maintenance.
Jay
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smoke747
218 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:35 AM
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jerry, the skitishness i'm talking about is still going on while the bird is still in flight. you put 3 birds like that in a kit and a bop does a fly by, those birds sometimes react before their is any danger and never recover.they still fly around spooked when the rest of the kit has settled down and is back to business. they fly around, above, or below but never joining the kit.
there is point where the birdshould calm down and get back to the kit and work.
(my opinion)
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 10:36 AM
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gotspin7
855 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:48 AM
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sscali, got it! Keith another great thread!
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Sal Ortiz
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Skylineloft
592 posts
Dec 19, 2007
11:15 AM
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For Me,
The best birds I ever bred seemed to always be very calm in the show pen. Maybe its the family I breed from, IM not sure. You will be able to stick your hand up under the bird and just pick it up. It will stand there with its rear toes lifted up looking at you like he's just glad to see you.....lol
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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gotspin7
858 posts
Dec 19, 2007
11:21 AM
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Ray, I agree!
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Sal Ortiz
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ezeedad
169 posts
Dec 19, 2007
1:49 PM
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Ray,
I have seen the same thing, and that kind of bird is
great. This picture I'm posting is one of my best ever
rollers (a shrinker) and producers.. Plus she was smart..
When the falcon hit she would make a bee line back to the loft..
Paul
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Skylineloft
596 posts
Dec 19, 2007
1:55 PM
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OUTSTANDING LOOKING BIRD PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats just what IM talking about.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Oldfart
346 posts
Dec 19, 2007
3:50 PM
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Temperament, calm and collected,easy in the loft, a bird you only touch and it moves from perch to perch. It will look at you with a slightly raised expression, almost with affection. This bird will lay in your open hand with no attempt to escape. Slide your hand under and it will climb onto your finger, then sit still while you reach with the other hand to gather it up. I'm not quilified to comment about their preformance in the air, but if this is breedable, and I think it is, then it is desirable. For me, loft life is as important as a quility as any other.
Thom
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 4:02 PM
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Donny James
198 posts
Dec 19, 2007
8:03 PM
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hay smoke i think remerament has a lot to do with a roller ................donny james
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smoke747
228 posts
Dec 19, 2007
8:37 PM
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donny james,
have you ever entered birds in the ca classic?
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 8:49 PM
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Electric-man
959 posts
Dec 19, 2007
8:52 PM
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Hey Thom, my Rubies are about the same,very calm and easy to handle! I could reach under the parents and pickup the babies and the parents wouldn't fight me! They look and act intellegent! Haven't got any in the air yet, but they impress me so far in the loft! Got my fingers crossed!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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elopez
155 posts
Dec 19, 2007
8:58 PM
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good Luck with them Val. One of our club members has some Ruby's and they seem to be working out for him. He scored the highest from our club for the fall fly.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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smoke747
230 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:08 PM
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hey e,
those rubys have a very good body type and expression plus they are red chks. you know i'm a sucker for red chks.
my friend alfred davis has some. i'm waiting for him to figure out that bops are no joke around here.
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 9:09 PM
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elopez
156 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:13 PM
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speaking of red checkers, are we going to put up my Certified cock with your weapon hen again this season? I would sure like to get some in my kits and loft.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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elopez
158 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:21 PM
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Great! Now stop ignoring my post on you starting a comp. fly...
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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smoke747
233 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:33 PM
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let me get the money fly done and then the next fly. you think i should the money to the CA comp roller fly.
smoke747
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elopez
159 posts
Dec 19, 2007
9:38 PM
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Yes I think that would be great. You could still keep it as somewhat of a money fly but we will have to quality then win or place in the finals, I'm sure you can come up with some rules.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Joe E
2 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:17 PM
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Keith This is Joe Emberton, can I fly in the money fly?
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smoke747
234 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:34 PM
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joe,
just need to see what the pot looks like. forget that, sure you can fly. can you get at least 3 flyers up there to fly?
Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2007 10:42 PM
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Joe E
5 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:41 PM
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maybe more if the price is right
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smoke747
236 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:44 PM
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joe,
it depends on how many are willing to putem up or shut up.
smoke747
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Joe E
6 posts
Dec 19, 2007
10:53 PM
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Keith, could it be done during the state fly if we have it this year?
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smoke747
240 posts
Dec 19, 2007
11:05 PM
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if not it could replace the state fly.
smoke747
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Missouri-Flyer
1119 posts
Dec 20, 2007
5:53 AM
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Keith,
My bad..I misunderstood the type of bird your described. If that were the case, and they were causing such a distraction to take away from the rest of the kit, they would be pulled, and placed with your B team,C team, or taken care of for good...You know, RUUDDDYYYY like to B-B-Q.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
815 posts
Dec 20, 2007
6:38 AM
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Paul very nice bird looks very explosive
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Oldfart
349 posts
Dec 20, 2007
7:50 AM
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Hey Val, I'm glad to hear all is well. I hate a dirty nest bowl, so every week they get a new one. I would get the replacement bowl ready and then reach in and move the eggs, then the sitting parent. No fuss, no muss! The more you handle them the more relaxed they are, some is from all the handling but most is temperament I believe. Good luck, I think you will be happy with them in the air!
Thom
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ezeedad
172 posts
Dec 20, 2007
10:36 AM
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Steve,
I like your description... Never heard that one before.
Paul
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