DeepSpinLofts
206 posts
Dec 22, 2007
5:37 AM
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A TRUE ROLLER MAN'S VIEW OF THE CHAMPION:
My view of a "Champion Birmingham Roller" is a Biogenetically well bred and high class caliber of bird that stands out against every other aerial performer known to man. The very glimpse of a champion roller in the air will be a jaw dropping, heart stopping experience for the onlooker.
In rolling style, the champion should rapidly spin with a lightning flash blur while displaying what looks like a small tennis shaped ball that has a very small hole in the center. Keep in mind that this hole can and will often shrink in size or appearance due to high velocity rolling (rapid spinning).
All champion rollers should spin downwards smoothly for a considerable distance from the kit (of at least 20ft or more), then cleanly breaking out of the roll.... only to majesticly return back to the kit and do it all over again (as quickly as possible)... several times better than it had rolled earlier.
Now folks let us not forget that the presence of the hole indicates true perfection on the spin... and the tighter the spin the better. Without proper spinning, the roller is either rolling inappropriately (too slowly) or the roll is unsatisfactory for champion credentials and these rollers will never achieve what I call championship status.
....time will tell
After say about 14-18 months, a true champion roller has been vigorously tested and is now routinely prepared to control the depth of the spin while descending rapidly from the kit in proper rolling fashion. If there are no accidents (say predators or something else), a "Champion Roller Pigeon" should be able to put on a magnificently marvelous aerial show right up into their ripe old age.
NOTE: Most important is that it must not only be a champion in the air, but the bird must also be a grand champion in the breeding pen with the microgenetic capability to produce a high percentage of quality spinners. That's right, it must be able to reproduce itself (be pre-potent).
From what I've seen over the years, there is no other class of aerial performers that gives so much gleeful joy and rewarding satisfaction to the onlooker as the performance bred Birmingham Roller Pigeon.
.....so
If any of you are ever fortunate enough to get your hands on a Champion Birmingham Roller Pigeon, covet it, for it is dearly worth its weight in GOLD!
Marcus
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Last Edited by on Apr 08, 2008 5:44 PM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
320 posts
Dec 22, 2007
5:44 AM
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Marcus, sounds good to me.CARBON COPY.
R-LUNA
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gotspin7
893 posts
Dec 22, 2007
6:03 AM
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Marcus, great post! One question for the bird to show the hole dosen't the bird need proper balance (type).
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Sal Ortiz
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
751 posts
Dec 22, 2007
6:12 AM
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Zuppppppppp Marcus how u been another good post.......
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
321 posts
Dec 22, 2007
6:16 AM
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Sal, I know that the question was addressed to Marcus, but when people ask of what "type".I refer to Pensoms quote " TRUE TYPE WILL SHOW IT SELF IN THE AIR".So my opinion ,for whats it's worth is to study and understand this type on the ground.
R-LUNA
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gotspin7
902 posts
Dec 22, 2007
6:18 AM
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Richard, you are right! Richard to me a bird that shows the hole has the perfect balance! (type)LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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DeepSpinLofts
207 posts
Dec 22, 2007
6:29 AM
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Like a gyroscope... the bird needs proper balance in order to roll (spin) correctly in the air and display that sweet doughnut hole. I must assume that you are correct about type (meaning body type)?
The physiological anatomy of the bird is quite important. A champion will generally be a weee bit smaller than your average roller in body composition.
...however
I've been told that a rather silky smooth tight feeling in ones hand (due to strong muscles & proper feathering) can often be observed in champion rolling pigeons.
Marcus
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Last Edited by on Dec 22, 2007 6:33 AM
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CSRA
873 posts
Dec 22, 2007
7:42 AM
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does the size of the bird matters when it comes to showing the hole as far length?
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
137 posts
Dec 22, 2007
9:22 AM
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CSRA
My opinion the size of the bird dose not matter.
I have a bird i stocked a few years ago that was the biggest uglyest roller i had ever seen,this bird was in my kit and i never even took a second look at it,one day this bird decided to become the best bird in the kit,i flew him for 2 years on club flys and W/C pree,and F/F pree. and everyone that saw it was amazed at the speed this thing whould roll,its one of the few birds i have ever seen the hole so clearly,and it was the biggest bird in my kit.
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Hector Coya
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birdman
455 posts
Dec 22, 2007
10:30 AM
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I've experienced the same as Hector. Although most of my good ones are smaller or medium sized there are some bigger birds that can definitely get the job done!
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CSRA
887 posts
Dec 22, 2007
11:29 AM
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I think you misunderstood what i was saying i said do you think the the bird has to have a little length to it to show the hole my birds tend to tuck a little tight where i do not see the hole and i notice the medium size birds to long birds have shown me the hole
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birdman
456 posts
Dec 22, 2007
2:02 PM
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CSRA,
It makes sense that a bird with a longer neck and longer tail is going to show more open space than a short neck short tail bird.
Russ
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CSRA
899 posts
Dec 22, 2007
2:19 PM
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Thats what i thought smaller birds will tuck tighter
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big al
256 posts
Dec 22, 2007
6:40 PM
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Hey csra,
A larger bird may have to work a little harder to acheive that type of roll depending on it's stregnth and type. They are just as capable as a smaller bird. However, the majority of the donut hole spinners with speed are normally medium to smaller sized birds in my family.
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See you in the roll!
Allen Strother (Big Al)
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Donny James
206 posts
Dec 22, 2007
9:33 PM
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hay marcus very good post and i have agree with you 110 % donny james
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DeepSpinLofts
209 posts
Dec 23, 2007
12:30 AM
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Always remember this folks.... in your quest to breed a champion rolling pigeon simply follow this golden rule which is noted below:
=====> "Breed Best to Best"!
Marcus
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gotspin7
914 posts
Dec 23, 2007
5:06 AM
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Marcus, have you made any?
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
927 posts
Dec 23, 2007
8:56 AM
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Big Al not large bird a bird with a little more length to it
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classicpony
632 posts
Dec 23, 2007
4:07 PM
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Wow what a great post! Makes me want for a champ in my kitbox.
:) One of the best post I have read for awhile.
Jim
Illinois
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DeepSpinLofts
212 posts
Dec 23, 2007
5:33 PM
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Hi Sal;
Let's just say to me there are rollers, good rollers and outstanding performers in the air.
In all due respect... I have a few stocked in a roller vault that many with a keen eye for a committment to excellence might consider quite outstanding aerial acrobats on the wing.
Talk to you later Sal...
Marcus
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gotspin7
944 posts
Dec 24, 2007
5:16 AM
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Marcus, I was just wondering since you described it in such detail, real good post! Marcus wish you luck with them!
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Sal Ortiz
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3757
405 posts
Dec 24, 2007
7:16 AM
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Marcus - I know from your description of the performance that you have seen it. Great post!
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Shadow
3 posts
Dec 29, 2007
1:06 AM
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Great post,and great description of a an excellent type roller,my own opinion being that the hole in the middle is usually exclusive to birds of a certain physical size,these that are found on the medium to large scale of a slender type,and rolling at the same pace all through the roll thereby showing the hole the more cobby type,shorter bodies/necks may not show the hole when spinning again this is down to their physical make up,but at times can be due to their speed in the roll which can be equally as fast or faster,these are the type of rollers when seeing for the first time,someone usually says"What the f///-*" was that" these are mostly a shorter type of roller,with amazing velocity,its just a blur from the start to the end of roll,they are rare indeed,but once you have seen one you will never forget it,your best to best x is definitely good,but to continue it for an indefinite period of time,would surely result in too many crashers,and to keep a kit of these airborne would be a nightmare,a kit must have all round balance,over the years if I had put my best 20 or 12 best rollers in a kit together at one one time,I would have had a search party collecting them in neighbours gardens,again a very good post,and these are only my opinions.P.S A real Champion roller again is one who performs perfectly and is capable of producing progeny to do likewise if not better for many years.
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2007 1:11 AM
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gotspin7
1008 posts
Dec 29, 2007
5:51 AM
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3757, you get a lot of people that claim to have seen it or claim to have IT and when asked to fly some how they can't fly, that was the reason for my question.
Shadow, good post!
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Sal Ortiz
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DeepSpinLofts
425 posts
Mar 22, 2008
4:34 AM
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My advice due to the ever-increasing BOP population out there: If you have a champion... or think you possibly do.... then please don't fly it!
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.
Marcus
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Mount Airy Lofts
579 posts
Mar 22, 2008
6:08 AM
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Aw, perfect! A perfect roller is but a dream. One all Roller men will have - in the pursuit of that illusive speciman.
Greez wizz... I need to step up my program as it seems like you guys are light years ahead of me.
Thor
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Ty Coleman
94 posts
Mar 22, 2008
6:22 AM
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Bert it's my opinion that you shouldnt stock a bird without it being proven in the air.The only exeption i would have to this would be the bird being from a proven family and to have lost the rest of the family.This would be a major set back in my opinion,i would raise a couple rounds with a proven hen or cock fly the young out if they do nothing i would swap mates raise another round fly them out if nothing then i would cull the bird.
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DeepSpinLofts
536 posts
Apr 08, 2008
5:04 PM
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Interesting viewpoint Ty
"It's my opinion that you shouldnt stock a bird without it being proven in the air."
I think Pensom might approve of this:
===> "The only exception I would have to this would be the bird being from a proven family and to have lost the rest of the family."
Marcus
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Last Edited by on May 07, 2008 4:06 PM
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silent187
46 posts
Apr 09, 2008
2:30 PM
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dang that made me want to make my rollers the best and whoop @$$ on everybody unfortunately i have a long way to go i bearly started this game
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DeepSpinLofts
544 posts
Apr 09, 2008
6:30 PM
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Good day today. Watched 3 25ft spins of high velocity revolutions of deep rolling in my birds today. Keep in mind that all of these birds are under 10 months of age. Many have finally completed their 1st molt together as a team.
Marcus
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Last Edited by on May 07, 2008 4:15 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
729 posts
May 09, 2008
11:32 PM
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Allow me to reiterate:
"All champion rollers should spin downwards smoothly for a considerable distance from the kit (of at least 20ft or more), then cleanly breaking out of the roll.... only to majesticly return back to the kit and do it all over again (as quickly as possible)... several times better than it had rolled earlier."
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
882 posts
Jun 18, 2008
6:22 AM
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Flyers often talk about that sweet donut style with high velocity on the spin and a delightful little hole in the middle of the roll.
....so
I took the initiative to clip an excerpt from an article written by Kenny Easley which was sent to the NBRC several years ago in August of 2000.
==DONUT ROLL STYLE==
"The style we are after is the donut. The donut roll is a roll in which the bird spins in a tight ball with a small hole showing from the side. The hole should be no larger than a fifty-cent piece. The preferred ones are tighter still. The hole is the size of a quarter. Only the correct body type will give a clean hole with the outside of the ball being smooth as well, giving the impression of a donut."
....continued
"THESE TYPES ARE NOT PRODUCED IN GREAT NUMBERS"; in fact they are few and far between. These types should be studied closely to put in our mind's eye a picture of the correct body type. An attempt should be made to produce this body type when pairing breeders. All of the champions that I have seen (and they were very few) were tightly wedge shaped, and low on the leg with wing butts showing. This type adds to the overall control a stable bird will have."
K. Easley
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Marcus
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COYOTE33
132 posts
Jun 18, 2008
8:07 AM
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once again marcus, i have to say i appreciate your statment on the true birmingham roller.Im glad someone is bold enuff to speak the truth about our hobby and the performance of this wonderful pigeon. This should be the goal of all of us, to reach this style of roll.keith london
spoke on this earlier and i plan to get by his house. I have people up in the sac area and i plan to visit soon, when i do it would be my pleasure to visit you and see your performers as well.
coyote
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DeepSpinLofts
1392 posts
Jun 14, 2009
2:29 PM
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NBRC Convention is coming up next week.
Just a reminder!
Marcus
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glenn
261 posts
Jun 14, 2009
2:59 PM
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Kill this one also
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sunny
3 posts
Jun 14, 2009
5:40 PM
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its all about the deep spin
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DeepSpinLofts
1393 posts
Jun 14, 2009
6:04 PM
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Glenn are you going to the NBRC Convention?
Marcus
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glenn
262 posts
Jun 14, 2009
10:12 PM
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Marcus....kill this thread....if you have a question start a new thread.....No, I am not going to the convention........Glenn
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