elopez
204 posts
Dec 25, 2007
4:23 PM
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What was the best bird you have ever seen fly? Whether you bred it or not. What were the qualities that you liked most about it and what family was the bird from?
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Efren Lopez
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glenn
73 posts
Dec 25, 2007
5:13 PM
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Hello:
One was a Dark Ck. Self cock I strayed in bred by a guy name Greogry Rideou(spelling may not be right)outstanding spinner & a Dunn Badge cock I bred off of #520 & his 1/2 brother I bred 2 years later. A hen Bred & flown by Paul Gomez CRS 77 905....ALL WERE OUTSTANDIN SPINNERS.....Glenn
P.S. There is one more a Dark Check Mark cock bred by Ron Dent...And I Quote Paul Gomez: "Rolls Like A Tennis Ball"
There are a few more, but these are the 1st one's I thought about
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2007 5:19 PM
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quickspin
204 posts
Dec 25, 2007
5:49 PM
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Hi Glenn,
You still have birds from Ron Dent?
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2007 5:49 PM
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glenn
74 posts
Dec 25, 2007
7:01 PM
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Hello:
No I don't, all I have is a Cock & Hen off a bird I borrowed from Ron Several years ago. The hen was off a Grandson of one of the old Smith Cocks & a Blue Bar Marked hen bred by Hugo Blass. That Blue Bar Hen was an Outstanding pigeon but she died a number of years ago....Glenn
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smoke747
288 posts
Dec 26, 2007
1:34 AM
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the best bird i've seen was smoke herself.
20-30' fast, tight, 1.5 times a min. exc kit bird. another i saw that was probably faster than smoke was at mark rivera's red self from the 272 line. icould go on but thats enuff.
smoke747
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gotspin7
955 posts
Dec 26, 2007
5:43 AM
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I have seen a few a couple at Steve's, a black and white hen with A frame roll to her that spun 20-40 feet went back to the 991 stuff, and a d-chek that was a 20-30 foot spinner from his other line he is working with, I also had a couple myself one that a good friend bred she was a red hen that would roll your socks right off! She was out of some Norwood blood. And I was lucky enough to breed a cock bird that we call the dodo cock and this guy would shrink!He was 5-60 feet and just did it with eaze! He was out of some 272 blood crossed to a Norwood hen Steve made.
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Sal Ortiz
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CSRA
979 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:15 AM
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I've have seen so many good spinners i can't name them it would be a shame if i forgot one or two so i plead the 5th
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elopez
219 posts
Dec 26, 2007
10:00 AM
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I've seen a few at Keith's house. 599 brother, black pearl eye cock, 505 brother, tort cock, 442 brother blue check w/f, all real tight spinners 30-40' I think that is why Keith hit over 1100 point in a fly because he had a real outstanding group going earlier this year.
I also seen a real fast dark check at Hector C. 15-20' and one that my brother Dave breed, a 30' red self - smoker.. and finaly one that I breed out of 599 and 980 (smoke granddaughter out of 66) it was a black self, would have to be the fastest bird I've seen - at 7 months 20' blur. Lost him to the cooper.
I guess it is hard to just pick one lol, there a lot of good birds out there. Wish I could have seen them all.
I'm sure there will be alot more in the years to come.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2007 8:26 PM
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Built4Speed
7 posts
Dec 26, 2007
10:12 AM
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Hey Smoke,
I have that little red hen frm Mark Rivera breeding here at my house, and yes as I recall she was a true smoker, I have her on a 272 cock I stocked last year I will let you know how the offspring come out.
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Dale
SGVS
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3757
420 posts
Dec 26, 2007
10:18 AM
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The best bird I have ever seen was a red check cock that spun so fast he looked like a marble and appeared as if he stood still for minutes. He is a one in a lifetime bird that a person will never forget. I have seen many birds spin with high velocity but there are always those that shine light on average or just good spinners. The rare performers are the ones that are not produced everyday and are the ones that you cannot forget. Almost like a true love that a person will always remember and can recollect.
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2007 4:15 PM
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smoke747
296 posts
Dec 26, 2007
10:48 AM
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built4speed, i saw that bird she is awesome. like the one 3757 just described. when i first saw her, i thought my eyes were playing tricks on me but she did it again and again.
you got a good un for real!!!!!
smoke747
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ezeedad
201 posts
Dec 26, 2007
11:05 AM
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Dale,
My advice about that Rivera hen you are talking about is to Breed as many as you can out of her..But don't pump her...and DON'T FLY THE BABIES,,!! Show some patience...
Then when you finally have a lot of her blood, you can start taking chances with them.
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smoke747
299 posts
Dec 26, 2007
11:09 AM
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PAUL, I WISH YOU COULD HAVE SEEN HER.
SMOKE747
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Bundee
26 posts
Dec 26, 2007
12:05 PM
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Whats up Dale, Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Jorge
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ezeedad
206 posts
Dec 26, 2007
5:57 PM
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Keith,
I wish I could have seen her too..
Dale,
Can you post her picture?
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2007 6:03 PM
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8ball
13 posts
Dec 26, 2007
6:29 PM
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The best bird i seen was at richard luna house let me quote the ENGLISH men that were there. those are the fastest !!! birds i have ever seen! being there was more than 1 it was impossible to pick 1 my life changed after that day i was on a crusade to buy and breed CORNELL NORWOOD BIRDS!!!!!
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birdman
458 posts
Dec 26, 2007
6:56 PM
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Dale,
My advise is to bring that hen to my house and put her in my breeding loft immediately...lol
Russ
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smoke747
303 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:04 PM
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HEY JUJU, WELCOME TO THE LIVEST ROLLER FORUM. THERE ARE SOME GOOD THREADS HERE.
SMOKE747
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redchecker16
16 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:49 PM
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Seen some fast 1s at smoke747 loft that mad my pupil dialate. lol! Eds loft. The few flys Iv'e been 2 had fast ones there great ones in CA.
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8ball
16 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:51 PM
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WOW! this is U! give me a holla 805 889-3827 whats up with this site
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smoke747
305 posts
Dec 26, 2007
10:02 PM
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8BALL THIS IS A COOL SITE, VERY INFORMATIVE WITH RESPECTFUL DEBATES.
SMOKE747
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CSRA
997 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:39 AM
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Paul thats some good advise
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Built4Speed
8 posts
Dec 27, 2007
10:51 AM
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This is the Red Mark Rivera Hen, she was a true champion in the sky and i am sure those that seen her will agree. Mark is unable to do anything with her right now because of his trucking job schedule and has lent her to me for the year to compliment my current 272 family, some heat is to be expected out of this little beauty!!!
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Dale
SGVS
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ezeedad
207 posts
Dec 27, 2007
11:01 AM
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Thanks Steve,
I also think that she should probably be bred back to the father or maybe to a full brother.
.but I would favor the father, since he is guaranteed to heve 1/2 of her genes, and the object
of the mating is to reproduce more just like her. Birds like her should be inbred to try to
copy her pattern of genes... Crossing (taking her out) will dilute her "Design".
Paul
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Skylineloft
688 posts
Dec 27, 2007
12:22 PM
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The one tattooed on my arm. LOL
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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smoke747
308 posts
Dec 27, 2007
2:30 PM
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DALE,
THE BIRD I SAW WAS RED SELF (DARK REC RED).
THAT MIGHT BE THE SISTER. SHE WAS GOOD ALSO.
SMOKE747
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ezeedad
208 posts
Dec 27, 2007
3:01 PM
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Dale,
Thanks a lot for posting the picture.. Keith says this a different one from the one he saw..??
Still is a beautiful bird and I hope you breed her well, and manage that blood well.
Ray, I didn't know you were a BOP...!!!
Gomez
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2007 3:51 PM
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Built4Speed
9 posts
Dec 27, 2007
3:25 PM
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According to Mark this is the hen everyone was raving about when he flew the World Cup in 05, I will talk to him tonight, if there is another one I dont know about I better grab her too!!
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Dale
SGVS
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2007 5:29 PM
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elopez
225 posts
Dec 27, 2007
4:37 PM
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Dale,
While your grabbing one, grab me one...lol I sure would like one releated to the one Keith is talking about. He told me that she was a blur and with a bit more frequency she would be just right!
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Built4Speed
10 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:34 PM
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Keith, just talked to Rivera and that is the hen you, Tippy and Rodney Burrell saw at the W/C fly at his house, he told me to tell you hello and he hopes all is fine.
Efren we will talk at the show on Sunday
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Dale
SGVS
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smoke747
309 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:48 PM
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Dale,
I stand corrected. Those were the exact people on the fly that day. You are very lucky my friend. I give credit where credit is due. That is a true spinner!!!!!!!
good luck with her.
smoke747
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2007 7:21 PM
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gotspin7
1002 posts
Dec 28, 2007
5:58 AM
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Dale, I would ask Rivera for her father and breed them to each other. Good luck!
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Sal Ortiz
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Built4Speed
11 posts
Dec 28, 2007
6:59 AM
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Sal,
already in the making, although I think he is putting the original pair down to make somemore, I will then get those siblings and go from there, should be interesting.
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Dale
SGVS
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ezeedad
212 posts
Dec 28, 2007
10:41 AM
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WOW... I'm glad to see you guys working together cooperatively.. I've always
said that cooperation is better than competition.. (Notice that I DIDN'T say cooperation
instead of competition)...
Man, that is a cute little girl too.. little small beak..
I know it's a closed show,
but if there was a way that an old rollerman could get in.. you'd see me there...
Hmmm I have an idea...
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2007 10:43 AM
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ezeedad
214 posts
Dec 28, 2007
2:49 PM
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Dale,
This is from one of Pensom's writings that he did in 1968, which was the year of his death.
I think that you should probably also consider what he says about how that bird developed....
Gomez
Mating
In mating these pigeons for the best results, we have to consider the efforts of the bird during
the processes of developing into a first class spinner, and the effects on its development of the
physical and nervous system. Birds which begin their performances at an early age generally go
through a most exhausting process which often inflicts in the mind of the owner some doubt as to the
value of such a bird. In consequence of such development the pigeon does not enjoy a complete moult
in its first year. No pigeon is mature until it has completed two full moulting periods, although
this does not deny the use of young pigeons in the stock pen. A suitable mate for the above example
must be chosen from those which did not begin to develop until a much later date, or until after the
first moult. This is the only method to guarantee aerial an spinning stability. When a fancier has
established a stud of stable, high-velocity spinning pigeons, his best plan in the future will
be to choose mates as they look on the ground rather than by selecting them out of the air. Mates
should possess similar qualities, especially as regards expression of character, the only compromise
coming from bodily make-up. Since color or shades of color are closely allied to character, it is
to our advantage to give much consideration in this direction.
The basic colors are blue check, red check, and dun. Mixtures of these will give the best results.
When aerial performance, both collectively and individually, is of no primary importance,
the art of mating becomes of little or no concern. This appears to be the most popular category for
fanciers: to exercise their skill in producing birds to certain physical and colorful standards, at
the same time maintaining a decent standard of performance.
....Pensom....
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elopez
230 posts
Dec 28, 2007
2:58 PM
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Hey Paul,
It's going to be at my house, I would be okay with you stopping by, but you would need to get the okay with Hector Coya as he is the club President and is organizing everything. If you don't have his # e-mail me and I'll give you his cell #. elopez@3rdplanetlogistics.com
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Mark
8 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:12 PM
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Efren,
How would I get in touch with Hector? Could you get in touch with him and ask him if I could come by and check out some birds?
I am sure he as well as Dale would stand up for me.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
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Mark
9 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:20 PM
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Yea it is.
Mark
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smoke747
328 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:23 PM
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WHATS UP MARK? SO YOU LET THAT DANDY GO. I DIDN'T THINK YOU WOULD PART FROM IT. I WAS JUST TELLIN LOPEZ HOW FAST IT WAS.
SMOKE747
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Mark
10 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:29 PM
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I don't mean to be disrespectful, but who are you?
I have been off this list for over a year and being a product of the 70's LOL, I can't remenber the old names.
Mark
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Mark
11 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:43 PM
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What's up man?
I still have two numbers in my phone, one is your cell and the other is your shop. Are they still good numbers?
I let Dale use the hen this year because the F_____G job is kicking my ass. She has gone thur 2 molts and needed to be bred. I don't think the pic that he posted did her justice. I think either she was sitting on eggs or had just laid. She really is something to see when she was in the hen loft. To tell the truth and I know you know what I'm saying, she was put away because of what she did in the air.
It is very refreshing to hear your name Keith. Hope all is well and the family is fine.
Take care,
Mark
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elopez
240 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:46 PM
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Hey Mark, I believe we can all bring a guest so if Dale invites you, your more than welcome. But I'll welcome you with a cold drink and some food if you take that red checker from Dale and give it to me lol... See you sunday.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Mark
12 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:47 PM
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Thank you.
Mark
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smoke747
331 posts
Dec 28, 2007
8:59 PM
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MARK,
THE FAMILY IS FINE,THE BIRDS ARE FINE AND THE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. I HERD YOU ARE PUTTING THAT PAIR BACK TOGETHER.
CELL# (323)762-3909
SMOKE747
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Mark
13 posts
Dec 28, 2007
9:04 PM
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Yes I am. In fact, maybe this weekend.
Mark
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smoke747
333 posts
Dec 28, 2007
9:10 PM
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I HOPE YOU GET TIME TO FLY HARD THIS COMMIMG YEAR.
HOW IS JACK? IS HE STILL FLYING?
SMOKE747
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Mark
14 posts
Dec 28, 2007
9:15 PM
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I think he took over his father-in-laws bussiness. Last I heard he sold the ready mix truck and is going full speed with the other thing.
I'll call the number you posted tomorow and we can talk.
Mark
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spanky
206 posts
Dec 28, 2007
9:22 PM
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WAS UP DALE!!!!
SPANKY
SGVS
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
330 posts
Dec 28, 2007
11:07 PM
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Mark, what up brother good to see your alive . I called couple times and emailed you, to see how you were doing.
R-LUNA
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Mark
15 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:39 AM
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Richard, how have you been? Are you set up in the new home?
I spoke to London here on the list last night and it really dug up some good old thoughts and times from days gone by. It seems as we get older, the phone rings from time to time with some sad news about someone we knew from the past. I think we get caught up with life and forgot about the things that are really important to us.
Give me a shout or a e-mail again so we can make contact with each other and not bore these other guys with two old guys talking about the past.
Mark
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