pat66
73 posts
Dec 26, 2007
6:57 AM
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Pat
HERE IS WHAT I DEAL WITH EVERY DAY!!! TODAY IS A GOOD DAY, THERE IS ONLY ONE AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE LITTLE FEAR OF HUMANS
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3757
418 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:00 AM
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Pat - Do not get discouraged. Also, every time I e-mail you it does not go through. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas!
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2007 7:01 AM
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pat66
74 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:10 AM
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Hey LaRon
Did have a good christmas!Hope yours was good, had a nice present,4 eggs hatched out of my 2 favorite pair from you,Hope May comes soon so these hawks leave and I can fly these young ones out,
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Pat P.S.SEE THE BOOTED BABY TO THE RIGHT, THATS THE
ONE I POSTED EARLIER ABOUT THE BOOTS
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2007 7:13 AM
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3757
419 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:13 AM
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Pat - You will be very successful and my Christmas was wonderful.
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pat66
75 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:39 AM
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Pretty much! feel right at home, keep chasing away but as soon as I go into the house they come back!!
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Pat
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CSRA
984 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:40 AM
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thats picture says a thousand words
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pat66
76 posts
Dec 26, 2007
12:56 PM
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UPDATE----THAT FREAKING HAWK TOOK MY FAVORITE BOOTED SQUEAKER THRU THE WIRE, HAD TO TAKE THE CAGE OFF!!!!!
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Pat
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fly-boy
17 posts
Dec 26, 2007
7:19 PM
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to bad you live in town..
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bigwilly
193 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:36 AM
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I have been flying everyday and yesterday was the first time in a while that the bops were after them.
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gotspin7
982 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:37 AM
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Pat, sorry to hear about your loss. Pat is that a school behind your kit boxes?
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Sal Ortiz
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pat66
78 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:52 AM
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Sal,
No it is not,it is a water filtration plant,I live in a large opening surrounded by woods,when I fly I have full view of my kits all the time,---downfall-HAWKS!!!
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Pat
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Double R
199 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:54 AM
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Pat,
Sorry about your loss!! A lot of people would be surprised at how small a hole hawks can actualy reach thru.
Robby
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gotspin7
991 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:56 AM
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Pat, wow! I have a video I will be posting soon, my wife taped this bop eating one birds! I taught they ate already since they took a red out the same kit! Pat I guess it is just that time of year! You have to stay possitive!
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Sal Ortiz
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Missouri-Flyer
1179 posts
Dec 27, 2007
6:54 AM
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is that a coopers?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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pat66
80 posts
Dec 27, 2007
8:03 AM
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YUP,
THAT IS A COOPERS HAWK!
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Pat
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Roll Down
20 posts
Dec 27, 2007
9:03 PM
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Pat: I would be investing in a (moderated)!
Posting Policy:
The Following Is Not Allowed:
• Pictures, plans or descriptions of traps intended to catch federally protected birds of prey or comments or advice of any methods or tools designed to or intended to harass or discourage a protected bird from its normal habits. General discussion of the MTBA, birds of prey and related topics are allowed.
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2007 9:10 PM
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spanky
202 posts
Dec 27, 2007
9:11 PM
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THATS WHAT I GO THRU...
SPANKY
SGVS
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RXR Loft
139 posts
Dec 27, 2007
11:03 PM
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pat i am sorry for your loss...
have you tryed a scarecrow?
or one of those air horns you can get at big 5 the type you use on a boat you can scare the pigeon out of the sob-bop.
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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pat66
82 posts
Dec 28, 2007
5:03 AM
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I tried everything, you can walk up to about 5 feet of them suckers before they fly off,so it is total lockdown until MAY
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Pat
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Roll Down
21 posts
Dec 28, 2007
1:36 PM
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Sorry for the need to edit my post, Tony.
I live in Canada and although B's.O.P are protected, we have different rules if they are killing our livestock.
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J T
114 posts
Dec 28, 2007
1:40 PM
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I feel your PAIN!!
Hit twice today. One in the fly pen.
I think he has a key to my loft :(((
JT
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pat66
84 posts
Dec 28, 2007
1:49 PM
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--Thanks J.T. Them suckers just do not let up!!!--------
Pat
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pat66
85 posts
Dec 29, 2007
10:16 AM
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Hawk was back today! He isnt gettin any!!!!
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Pat
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Hifly11
1 post
Dec 29, 2007
1:21 PM
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That is the same type Hawk that eats my rollers here in Mich. I studied up on it and thought it was a "Sharp Shin" not a coopers.I have read that they are almost impossible to tell apart.
The Coopers are a bit larger than the Sharpie. Even experienced bird watchers can not tell the Diff.I have read that in tite areas between trees nothing can out fly a Sharpie. He picks off my young birds alot & often.
They are supposed to be migratory birds !! so when do they migrate?? they have been here all winter.
I have lost 18 sense May, next year I plan to raise more to offset my losses.
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pat66
86 posts
Dec 29, 2007
1:38 PM
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Here in Pennsylvania it is not safe to fly until middle of May then lock up again in October.
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Pat
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Hifly11
2 posts
Dec 29, 2007
4:36 PM
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Thank you for the info. about the best time to fly. This is a helpful web site for everything Roller related. It will be a big help for any questions I have. Thanks again
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2048 posts
Dec 29, 2007
8:54 PM
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Hey Roll Down, well, before you start doing anything to violate the Migratory Bird Treaty Act which is an international treaty, you should be sure your pigeons are the type of livestock that you can protect by destroying a bop or trapping and relocating without a permit or anything.
Allot of people paid heavy fines for their ignorance, would hate to see you make the same mistake at this point when everyone should be very aware of the ramifications of making public statements that could be used against you in a court of law.
The Audobon Society has a screen capture on its website of a web page from this site of statements/posts made on this site by guys who were involved in Operation High Roller who should have known better.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Support This Site With Your Pigeon Product Purchase-Over 100 Pigeon Products!
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Bill from NJ
24 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:32 PM
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Hey Pat66,
It looks like we have the same fly schedule due to the BOP.
My lock down begins in Mid September thru Mid May.
I'm tired of feeding those D@#* Hawks/Falcons. I'd like to see one choke on the leg band!
Remember to wait until the leaves come out on the trees, then you can fly the kits.
This way I "only loose" 1 to 3 every fly day and not more. They (BOP) play rough around here in my area.
Regards,
Bill from NJ
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katyroller
115 posts
Dec 29, 2007
10:41 PM
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Hifly11,
I also thought it was a Sharpie. The Coops around my area tend to be a little smaller and more of a darker brown color. You are correct that Rollers will not out fly a Sharpie that is after them!
*Did some research and that is definitely a Cooper.*
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2007 10:48 PM
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Roll Down
22 posts
Dec 29, 2007
10:48 PM
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Tony: I have been doing some checking and you are absolutely right on with your advice. I would suggest everyone who flies birds read about "Operation High Roller." I believe that most of us who love rollers are also bird lovers in general and it is only out of extreme frustration that any one would even consider harming any B.O.P. One of the nice things about this web-site is the knowledge and ideas that are freely shared to help each other in the hobby and hopefully, maybe right here, someone will come up with a B.O.P. solution that will keep everyone happy.
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pat66
87 posts
Dec 30, 2007
7:17 AM
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Hey guys,
What about,making a spray out of cayenne pepper and garlic and spray down a bird to see the effect it has, Will not hurt B.O.P. and might teach it that our birds just dont taste that good!
WHO knows they might like it and learn to BBQ
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Pat
Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2007 7:19 AM
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Hifly11
3 posts
Jan 01, 2008
9:42 AM
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I have a good friend here in mich. he has a small coop and only keeps six to eight Rollers. One day he went out to feed them and he saw the pen rocking, got closer and saw a large red tail in the coop eating lunch, (couple of Rollers). So he opened the pen and let him out. This has happened three times now, he gets in through the trap. And my friend lets him out each time. He only has three left, I told him I would give some more birds.He is a true Bird lover, as most pigeon men are.
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pat66
89 posts
Jan 01, 2008
1:36 PM
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I know first hand how frustrating it can be!! But he is going to have to learn to close the door on the trap to keep the hawk out!
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Pat
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Hifly11
4 posts
Jan 02, 2008
8:59 AM
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Another friend of mine wanted to get his kids some pets, so he decided on Pigeons for them. He got a pair of fantails and two pair of rollers.One day a fantail got out and was sitting on the coup when a hawk swooped down and carried him off. The childern were defestated and cried , as they saw the whole thing.
So he decided to not fly rollers and gave them to me. He bought some parlor rollers.After a few months the kids wanted to see one roll on the ground. So he got one out and it flew up into a small tree. Yep you guessed it and while the kids watched the BOP carried there pet off into the woods never to be seen again.
Now I can just imagine what would happen if the BOP's carried my neighbors small dog off and ate it. If BOP's ate dogs, people would not stand for it.I love my birds just as dog lovers love their dogs.
I have had Pigeons on and off sence 1961, I raced homers in the seventies with the east side club near Detroit. I have never seen Hawks eating pigeons as they are today. Does anyone have the answer as to why??? is it the fird feeders bringing them in??? or does nature just have an inbalance??? Does anyone know what can be done to slow down the carnage? Sorry about the long post, but Iam frustrated.
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bman
529 posts
Jan 02, 2008
9:23 AM
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Adult coopers due to coloration of the eyes....juveniles have yellow eyes and less noticeable barring in the chest plumage.Looks to be a female but the size is hard to judge from a pic.Sharpshinned are quite a bit smaller on average.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Windjammer Loft
102 posts
Jan 02, 2008
10:48 AM
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Hifly11,
I lived in Cleveland,Oh. back in the 70's thru 90's and raced too. We NEVER had a problem with the BOP. But,back then their wasn't SO MANY of them around either. Their flying pattern didn't attract the attention of the BOP, unlike the Roller's pattern. It's as if the roller looks
like a bird in distress,which is VERY attractive to the BOP. I wouldn't say their is and inbalance. I would say their is an inbalance of JUSTICE. Too many bird RIGHTS... One way to help cut back on the ATTACKS is LOCKDOWN your birds or stagger the times and the days that you fly them. I happen to practice BOTH....LOL Hope this sheds alittle light for you.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2008 11:00 AM
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mcroller
53 posts
Jan 02, 2008
2:22 PM
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i live in the n.west vancouver island I have hawk problems 365 days a year mostiy coopers an they are smart little buggers,hard to shake,glad I live in the country. jimmi
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Hifly11
6 posts
Jan 02, 2008
2:28 PM
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Thanks for the info Paul, I will be more careful next year.Iam looking for a little relief next spring as my neighbor moved away. Last year he had 18 bird feeders in his back yard not far from my Pigeon coop.So that was like fast food for BOP's. they would just come over and eat (doves and anything else at the feeder) when ever they were hungry.
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maxspin
148 posts
Jan 02, 2008
2:45 PM
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The truth of the matter is that the Audubon Society and the Fish and Wildlife Department are sill living in the 80's. Falcons and Hawks are the endangered species poster children. They will not accept the fact that the pendulum has swung too far in favor of the BOP.
I suspect that in a couple of years we may even hear them say "you guys were right" off the record off course LOL.
Doing some research on the subject the favorite food, and most commonly eaten bird is "rock dove". I just with we could get the figures on how many of the "rock doves" were banded.
Keith
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Windjammer Loft
107 posts
Jan 02, 2008
3:54 PM
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Keith.......Hear...Hear. No truer words have ever been spoken.I agree with you 100%. They need to get with the modern day program and DO something with their endangered BOP......LOL. Before our ROLLERS are on the EXTINCT list.
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2008 3:56 PM
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Shadow
6 posts
Jan 03, 2008
1:38 AM
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If a B.O.P. was to pose on my birds loft,my interest would not be in photography.
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Hifly11
9 posts
Jan 03, 2008
1:28 PM
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I studied these pics for ten min. to see if they were real and they seem to be authantic pictures.That is just one real friendly or real hungry BOP.
fly em if you got em!
Budd
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ROLLERMAN
202 posts
Jan 03, 2008
2:23 PM
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Budd
When they are hungry they can become very bold. Even to the point were they will enter your loft tru the bobbs and start eating away.
al
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pat66
91 posts
Jan 03, 2008
3:26 PM
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Believe me they are authentic, the day before he killed 2 kit birds and chased away a couple,never did come back!!!
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Pat
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pat66
101 posts
Jan 18, 2008
3:21 PM
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GUESS WHO DROPPED IN FOR A TASTE TODAY?
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Pat
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