bigwilly
190 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:28 AM
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Who flys Johnny Smith birds and how are they working out for you, can you post a couple?
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gotspin7
993 posts
Dec 27, 2007
6:02 AM
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Big, I think Ray has some of Johnny's birds, Ray correct me if I am wrong. Ray I hear is doing real well with his birds!
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Sal Ortiz
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Skylineloft
686 posts
Dec 27, 2007
9:36 AM
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Sal,
You are correct.
Thats all I fly.
I have one Higgins cock and thats it.
Everything else is pure Smith.
I have only been back in the hobby for one year and so far these birds not only did well for me but exceeded any expectations I had for one year back in the hobby.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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smoke747
307 posts
Dec 27, 2007
2:26 PM
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RAY,
GO HEAD AND TELL BIGW, YOU ARE DOING VERY GOOD.
I USED JOHNNY S. BIRDS TO ENHANCE MY FAMILY WITH SEVERAL J.H. BIRDS(RECHE CANYON SPINNERS)
HIG/SMOKE LINE
SMOKE747
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Skylineloft
690 posts
Dec 27, 2007
3:00 PM
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Beginners luck Keith...lol
I will probably get my ass whopped and handed back to me in a breeding bowl next year.....lol
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
153 posts
Dec 27, 2007
3:06 PM
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Isnt Johny Smith birds the same as Jerry Higgins birds?
Just asking i dont know.
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Hector Coya
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Missouri-Flyer
1183 posts
Dec 27, 2007
5:44 PM
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Hector,
I heard the same thing.. I guess there is one way to find out, and that is for Johnny or Jerry to let us know.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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smoke747
313 posts
Dec 27, 2007
6:24 PM
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Hector,
they are basicly the same but bred with a different twist.
like the diference between hte way norwood used 990 and the way b. scott used 1220.
smoke747
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ideaspin
27 posts
Dec 27, 2007
9:48 PM
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Hey hector,
I'll try an give you some backing of my line. The originals came from Ray Fisher, as I re-piped his back house for three pair of birds #19 red cock, #42 red cock, #4 blue x self hen, #68 red mottle w/f, #62 redx w/f hen, & a dun odd/side cock. I can't remember the # at the moment.These are the first birds with the exception of a few that I purchased from some guy that were flying some good rollers.One of these birds were a true stud CPRC-93-#51 ash red grizzle w/f (lucky me) the guy I purchased him from thought that he was an out cross of Higgins & Pensom come to find out that this bird was Higgins & Goss pure Houghton blood.The first year I mated these birds to each other and raised some nice rollers one pair did extremely well that was #19 & #4 this pair made a dun self cock that blurred out.The second year I mated that same pair and raised a shit pot full of spinners one in particular was a black self hen EVRC-98-258 super fast hen the funny thing is I lost this bird in a overfly and she came back nineteen day later with a crop full of feed and I never flew her again.Now this bird is OUT of a full brother and sister mating but I did not know that at he time.She is behind my line of bird mated on several different cock birds.The best mating she has ever been in was to a rec red cock from J Higgins full brother to his #1 cock this mate bred twelve young eleven made it to the stock pen one J Higgins flew a super star out of this mating and stocked it. One went to Robert Parker, then went to Steve Smith the others I stocked.Out of this mating came my #1 cock super star in the air and in the stock pen many of people are breeding out of this birds offspring and winning.There have been others as well that played a part of my line like the old champion red w/f cock from N Reed and the champion red x self hen from Norm but I never cross birds that don't go back to the original five birds that made this family.My advice to the new guys would be to find those click birds that's out there and use them or offspring from them and have patience.I hope this help you.
Johnny S.
Last Edited by on Dec 27, 2007 10:34 PM
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
155 posts
Dec 27, 2007
9:53 PM
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Thanks for your respons,very informative.
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Hector Coya
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elopez
226 posts
Dec 27, 2007
11:01 PM
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Hello Johnny,
I have a bird that I believe you breed. NPA 00 1604 out of nbrc-z-0055-95 and EVRC-255-99. Can you let me know a little bit about this or these birds. How did they perform? Thanks.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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gotspin7
999 posts
Dec 28, 2007
5:44 AM
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Johnny, good stuff! The 258 sure is a special one!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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Skylineloft
692 posts
Dec 28, 2007
10:46 AM
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Johnny,
You did a great job taking what you had and improving upon it.
Thats how you build a family of birds.
You made the family and credit should be given where credit is due.
Thats why I call them Smith pigeons.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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CSRA
1008 posts
Dec 28, 2007
10:55 AM
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Thanks Ray good lookin LOL
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ideaspin
30 posts
Dec 28, 2007
2:50 PM
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Elopez,
I remember that bird 1604 red cock out of NBRC-95-0055 dun m/w & EVRC-99-255 red mottle w/f
0055 is out of #8 & IRA-87-605 blk self #8 is out #45&29
#255 is out of EVRC-98-295 red w/f & CPRC-96-171 blk self
#295 is off 0055 & 1795 #171 is off 0016&0025
That bird went to a guy in Bellflower Ca. and did very good for him then to Downey Ca.There were only two raised him and his nest mate the other went to Joes Luis Lorenzo and he has stock bird off of it.Hope that help you.
Johnny S.
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elopez
229 posts
Dec 28, 2007
2:54 PM
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Thanks Johnny. That helps. I have him on a very good hen, can't wait to see the young in the air.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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3757
429 posts
Dec 28, 2007
4:56 PM
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John - Some of the birds that were posted and raised by you are some good looking pigeons. Excellent work!
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ideaspin
31 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:28 PM
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3757
Thanks for the comment it has taken a long time to get them to conform in to what they are now, by the way I saw you at the movies the other day I said hi but you didn't recognized me.
Johnny S.
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ideaspin
32 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:28 PM
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3757
Thanks for the comment it has taken a long time to get them to conform in to what they are now, by the way I saw you at the movies the other day I said hi but you didn't recognized me.
Johnny S.
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rollermanx0
3 posts
Dec 31, 2007
11:33 AM
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Johnny Smith bred my foundation cock EVRC 97 #358 and I've built a solid family around this bird along with my foundation hen WCS 97 #62 bred by Ray Fisher.
I placed #1 in the ICRC SOUTH REGION 07'!
I placed #1 in the ADELANTO FOOTBALL LEAGUE FLY 07'!
I was given the ICRC OVERALL CLUB THROPHY BY KEITH LONDON 07'! I also had a hen out of this family take TWO BEST INDIVIDUAL trophies in 07'! These are some of the best around......thanks guys!
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rollermanx0
5 posts
Dec 31, 2007
1:20 PM
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Hey guys, I'm the new dude in town..lol!
just wanted to intrduce myself and my birds
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Skylineloft
764 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:29 PM
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Steve,
How was 358 bred ?
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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rollermanx0
14 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:34 PM
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He's outta nbrc 97 # 632 rec red w/f bred by Parker
and nbrc 97 # 605 bred by Parker down out of #45 stud cock and #1453-88
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rOLLerManx0
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Skylineloft
766 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:36 PM
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Thats some good stuff there Steve,
Thanks for sharing buddy!!!!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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rollermanx0
15 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:39 PM
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Hey Ray, sorry we didn't get to finish our convo at the ICRC lawn show... but man you gotta make it by to see the grans and great grans off of your hen # 62! very special birds...
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rOLLerManx0
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rollermanx0
17 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:45 PM
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I know man, this stuff produces down the line serious!
we gotta build on some stuff together maybe?
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rOLLerManx0
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Skylineloft
767 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:47 PM
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Your always welcome at my home Steve,
Feel free to call anytime.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Skylineloft
768 posts
Dec 31, 2007
2:49 PM
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I want to come by your place this year for sure.
The way it looks, IM gonna be in just about everyones back yard this year here in 9A...........lol
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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elopez
281 posts
Dec 31, 2007
3:40 PM
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Nice birds. Welcome to the site.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Built4Speed
19 posts
Dec 31, 2007
4:04 PM
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Very nice looking birds RollermanxO, awesome expression and nice looking, Just the way I like them, good luck to you with them.
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Dale
SGVS
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rollermanx0
19 posts
Dec 31, 2007
5:49 PM
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Thanks guys.... it's a pleasure to be amongst these future legends! i appreciate that Ray, i will definately take you up on that..lol!
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rOLLerManx0
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smoke747
361 posts
Dec 31, 2007
5:52 PM
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WELCOME LIL STEVE R.
YOU'LL ENJOY THIS SITE.
SMOKE747
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rollermanx0
22 posts
Dec 31, 2007
5:55 PM
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thank you sir, glad to be here! i'm already enjoying it!
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rOLLerManx0
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