Drama Side
52 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:44 AM
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How do you guys feel about a bird that can only produce with one bird? It produce excellent quailty of birds together. You paired the the bird up with two or three mates and it don't produce. Do you put the paired back together are do you get rid of the bird. Cock or hen! I say get rid of the bird. I don't want nothing in my loft that can only produce on one bird. I know some people who disagree. Do you keep the bird are get rid of it?
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2007 7:46 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2042 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:50 AM
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Hey Drama, well, I don't know exactly where to start to say I disagree with your premise entirely.
You said this bird produces quality offspring with a specific bird, I thought finding and breeding click pairs was nirvana? Now its not? Now its a "click bird" that clicks with everything?
The rules keep changing on me? LOL
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rollernutz
29 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:57 AM
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i would keep the bird paired to the bird that it is producing excellent quality birds with, get as many young out of them as i could, who is to say the offspring will not inturn produce more excellent quality birds. every pair just may not click, i would keep it if its helping your program move forward.
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Oldfart
374 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:58 AM
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hen or cock, is it not fertile or not producing the goods when it's mates are switched and how long were the pair broken up before you tried switching them?
Thom
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Missouri-Flyer
1190 posts
Dec 29, 2007
7:59 AM
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Hmm,
I am as lost as Tony!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Drama Side
53 posts
Dec 29, 2007
8:08 AM
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I had a cock that produce some great birds for me on a hen one year. So the next year I put him on three different hens pumping all his eggs out nothing. I did another cock like that this year nothing, but the bop didn't really give me a chance this year to see the birds come in so I will give him another chance.
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Snake Doctor
118 posts
Dec 29, 2007
8:15 AM
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I trying to learn as I go, if a mateing is working, Why would you want to mess it up.
Isn't the idea to take the best ofspring from this pair and mate Father to best daughter and Mother to best Son to keep what's good going???
No disrespect intended but aren't you taking a puzzle you already figured out, pulling pieces out and trying to make pieces from another work in this one??????
SD
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Drama Side
54 posts
Dec 29, 2007
8:22 AM
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Pensom said a bird "must" produce on 3 out of 4 birds. Thats what I go by. I got a cock that produce what ever I put him on thats when you put the bird on his daughter. You don't put father to daughter or mother to son if they only produce on 1 mate.
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elopez
249 posts
Dec 29, 2007
8:55 AM
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Hey Drama,
I would leave the click pair together. Even if you're not going to stock the young they could sure help out the kit.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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birdman
464 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:03 AM
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I'm not following the logic on this one.
A click pair that produces good birds isn't good enough?
You're saying that you can't breed father to daughter or mother to son from a click pair mating? Why not???
Personally, I would be breeding the click pair and use their best offspring to develop a pre-potent line.
Just my way of thinking,
Russ
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2007 9:04 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2044 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:12 AM
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Drama said:
"Pensom said a bird 'must' produce on 3 out of 4 birds."
First, I would like to read the entire context in which this statement is made for more clarity. Is it possible to post the context?
Second, was he saying this in reference to a specific kind of bird on out crosses or jammed pairings like brother-sister pairings, father-daughter, mother-son pairings, uncle-niece, aunt-nephew, cousins, etc???
Higher percentages are more likely based upon the connection, i.e. the gene-pool being stacked (jammed) over a number of generations. I see then the possibility for the 3-4 equation. Is this what he is referring to?
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CSRA
1012 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:13 AM
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Drama maybe you want to just breed around that pair if the offspring are that good try it
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glenn
77 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:27 AM
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Drama-Side:
Talk to who ever bred the bird and see if you can find out more about the bird, find a relative to it or take the bird completly out if it is a hen, a cock would be different. If you like the cock then you have to make a decision if you want to put him in your gene pool and do you want to deal with his good & bad traits. If the young are better than the hen then move her on, who ever you give or sell it to check out the young and if you like them mate it up to the one you kept. There are all kinds of things you kind do.
Glenn
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Drama Side
55 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:42 AM
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Okay Glen and Tony I will find the book and post it later. I'm about to pair my birds up.
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2007 9:43 AM
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Drama Side
56 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:45 AM
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elopez I didn't think of it like that
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quickspin
220 posts
Dec 29, 2007
9:50 AM
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Drama Side, first what is the sex of the bird that only produce with one bird?
This bird that only prduce with one bird maybe is not the good one, both the other bird that you are breding from.
I had one pair that produce good birds one was a Bob Scott hen and the other a Smith bird. The hen die so I bred the Smith bird with more hens and he only produce with only one hen quality birds. Now what I think is that the good one was the hen Bob Scott not the cock. This seems to be the case with you, try the other bird to another one that you know is good. You only want to produce out of birds that will keep producing the same or better.
If you only need kit birds you can leave the click pair alone and breed as many as you can. But most likely they will not be good for stock breeders just for flying.
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Skylineloft
723 posts
Dec 29, 2007
4:57 PM
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Drama,
The other bird that it was mated to. Did it continue to produce good birds that you mated it too ? If the answer is yes there is a good chance that this is the bird with the goods. That means the other bird just don't got it.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Flipmode
15 posts
Dec 29, 2007
10:48 PM
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Hey DRAMA SIDE,
If that 1 pairs offspring are continuosly performing excellent with good quility, I would consider that pair a "click". I would try 3/4ering them both ways to see what happens. If still nothing, I would leave them paired and pump em! Make a whole kit of em. As long as they are producing quilty babies. Why not?
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