richard.r
93 posts
Jan 01, 2008
4:15 PM
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richard.r
94 posts
Jan 01, 2008
4:31 PM
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I'v change from wire bottoms to to wood flooring, for myself, my birds are in better condition, also i use 1x1 wood sloting for fronts,better feather condition.Less feed loss on wood flooring, less weaker birds more in condition way more performance.2008 is looking great.
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Electric-man
1015 posts
Jan 01, 2008
4:38 PM
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How often do you have to scrape it? Is there a lot more maintenance to keeping it clean? What about the heat in the summer? I kinda like the idea, but just a few questions!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
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luis
442 posts
Jan 01, 2008
4:58 PM
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I prefer wire bottom Richard but that is all it is,a matter of preference.In my opinion i don't like the birds picking up feed from the floor.Unfortunately all my cages are not wire bottom!I hope to change that soon.
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sac_spinners
218 posts
Jan 01, 2008
5:04 PM
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Nice setup Richard!!! I would rather keep mines with wire floors.I don't like my birds to eat off the floor, theres usually a lot of droppings on the bottom floor which can lead to sickness and bad health. JMHO
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NCRC (Northern California Roller Club)
Chor V
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2008 5:06 PM
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PR_rollers
333 posts
Jan 01, 2008
5:15 PM
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Hey Richard, i prefer wire floors too ,keeps the birds from eating their dropping and keeps them up on their perches too.not trying to mate like they do when i use to have them on wood floor. nice kit boxes..keep em flying..
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Ralph....
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RXR Loft
143 posts
Jan 01, 2008
5:21 PM
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I am with Richard R..
i have wood floors also, I scrap maybe once a week when needed, the birds dont eat off the floor I use a tray.
I had thought about changing to wire but have not.
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Rudy
RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
862 posts
Jan 01, 2008
5:43 PM
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WIRE HERE..........----------
RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Oldfart
396 posts
Jan 01, 2008
5:59 PM
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Welded wire,removable for cleaning,with catch trays underneath.
Thom
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Skylineloft
794 posts
Jan 01, 2008
6:17 PM
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I like wire and i have 3" deep tray to catch the poop. Its a good six inches from the wire. Keeps things real clean. I will try to post photos later
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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gotspin7
1053 posts
Jan 01, 2008
6:18 PM
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Wire floors here and no problems so far!
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Sal Ortiz
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gabe454
79 posts
Jan 01, 2008
6:37 PM
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nice set up bro but i agree wire keeps the birds clean nice kit cages bro
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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classicpony
641 posts
Jan 01, 2008
6:41 PM
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Wire
Jim
Illinois
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
348 posts
Jan 01, 2008
6:59 PM
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You know my choice Rich ,it's wire with tray's below. Keep them SPINNING.
R-LUNA
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2008 7:02 PM
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bigwilly
215 posts
Jan 01, 2008
7:03 PM
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I use wire also
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richard.r
100 posts
Jan 01, 2008
7:15 PM
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Well i scrape 1- a week or when i let a kit out. I also use metal feed trays, call in flyer's "kit" with millet seed.
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2008 7:32 PM
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spanky
231 posts
Jan 01, 2008
7:16 PM
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ALL I USE IS WIRE 1 BY 1.
SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2008 7:16 PM
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gabe454
80 posts
Jan 01, 2008
7:34 PM
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by my opinion i would go to wire bro your birds can get sick,you would have to clean more than once a week.well at least thats what i think.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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Skylineloft
796 posts
Jan 01, 2008
7:47 PM
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OK,
I said I would talk a little more about wire bottoms in kit boxes. This is a box I built last year about this time and because it worked out so well for me my first year, IM going to build one more just like it here in the next couple of weeks. Just to let you know, I still have not had to scrape a perch with this setup. I can hold a total of 72 birds comfortably the why this is made so one more of these ought to be just enough for my holdover birds as well as all my young birds for each new season.
PS....I love wire floors.........
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2008 7:48 PM
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gabe454
81 posts
Jan 01, 2008
7:59 PM
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nice skiline like th set up real nice like the automatic water feeders
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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rollernutz
39 posts
Jan 01, 2008
8:01 PM
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RAY ,NICE BOXES, SEEMS TO MAKE MANAGEMENT ALOT EASIER!!!!!!
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richard.r
102 posts
Jan 01, 2008
8:02 PM
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Ray! great video,infro specialy the water set up. I my self going on 20 years as plumber residental, commercial. my main loft has water and electricity,lighting but not kit boxes. great stuff Ray.
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sac_spinners
219 posts
Jan 01, 2008
8:20 PM
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Ray, I was wondering where you got your trays at and how much?
Really nice setup!!!
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NCRC (Northern California Roller Club)
Chor V
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Skylineloft
799 posts
Jan 01, 2008
8:30 PM
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They where made by a friend at no cost to me. But any sheet-metal shop can knock out a set for you at the the dimensions you give them.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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michael salus
8 posts
Jan 01, 2008
9:15 PM
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I have always used wood floors. I scrape them every day and when I fly them I can do it in less then a minute. I also feed them right on the floor . I hardly ever have a sick bird and have been doing it this way for 35 years. It works for me. I've always wondered about the wire floors, but am worried about attracting mice or rats from spillage, plus it might be too drafty for me in the winter. It gets below zero alot here. Just my thoughts. Mike S.
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W@yne
891 posts
Jan 01, 2008
11:24 PM
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Ray nice kit boxes
About Wire are Wood i think its personal preference i have both and like both but for different reasons.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Santandercol
1743 posts
Jan 02, 2008
6:34 AM
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With wood floors ventilation could be a problem.I use 1/2X1/2" welded wire so no mice can get in and scrape the wire under the perches once a week.Trays underneath get cleaned off about every 2 weeks.
Ray I like those aluminum tray for feeding nice and light I bet,good for when I'm on vacation and my 80 year young Mom is tending the birds!!My plywood trays are a little heavy.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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CSRA
1065 posts
Jan 02, 2008
7:57 AM
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Nice box Ray good job
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Skylineloft
800 posts
Jan 02, 2008
8:14 AM
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Mike,
You seal the bottom off with trays so that the mice, rate and any drafts can't get in. when it comes to clean up, you just slide out the tray and dump it. That simple. I have had wood floors in the past and would scrape them every-time I flew. But where I fly, your birds can be locked up for months at a time, therefore you no longer have the problem of trying to keep the floor clean while the birds are on lock-down.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Double R
214 posts
Jan 02, 2008
8:49 AM
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Ray,
Nice kit boxes! I really like the way you have them set up. In your opinion which would you prefer bigger boxes or smaller? Why?
I think they would perform better out of smaller but since I am new to rollers I really don't know. I have 1 small kitbox and 2 bigger boxes that I'm using for now. Mine seem to perform better out of the smaller one.
Robby
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Skylineloft
801 posts
Jan 02, 2008
9:02 AM
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I really like the size that I have now. Each box will hold 24 birds. I usually do not like to fly kits much larger then that. I think having a couple 30 hole young bird kit boxes would be nice but I just don't have the room. I guess you could say that this set up is taking advantage of every square inch....lol
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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michael salus
9 posts
Jan 02, 2008
9:02 AM
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Ray, I really do like the idea of wire and maybe when I build my next kit box will go that way. I've been to some peoples lofts and they let that shit just fall to the ground and it gets pretty high. My wife would not tolerate that and she would be out there cleaning the ground up... not good... lol, Mike
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Skylineloft
802 posts
Jan 02, 2008
9:17 AM
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I agree, I could not tolerate that either. Thats why I have those removable trays on the bottom. They catch everything. Its been a month since I have bothered to clean out the trays, so there due. But because the distance between the wire and the bottom of the tray is 7", its not a issue at all. My boxes are well ventilated so it keeps the droppings dry. When I feed my birds I just drop in the feed trays and when there done, pull them out and hose them down. Its kind of like doing the dishes......lol Always a clean plate. Then I wash out the automatic waterers once a week to make sure mold dose not start to build up in the water containers.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Windjammer Loft
100 posts
Jan 02, 2008
10:12 AM
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Ray,
First of all let me wish you and yours and everyone on the list a belated Happy New Year. That being said,I really enjoyed the video of your kitbox. You seem to be a very meticulious in what you do, as it shows here. I just might have to incorprate your metal tray idea in my new loft this spring,if you wouldn't mind.....LOL. I can't get a real handel on how to do mine. As far as the differences in "Wire over Wood" it would seem to be more of a personel preference,wouldn't you say? I wonder if their are any studies on WHICH is the better? I know when I flew Homers,everyone used wooden floors at the time and when I was introduced to Rollers all I saw was wire floors.SO I just took it for granted that was the way to go. Just my own thoughts on this.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2008 10:14 AM
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Otis
88 posts
Jan 02, 2008
10:20 AM
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Guys, I have 1"x1" wire bottom kit boxes and wood bottom kit boxes that I don't use. Has anyone even thought of the harm to you, the owner, from breathing even a days worth of build up in a wood bottom kit box. Pigeon droppings contain a lot of harmful protein antigens that will over the long run cause dibilatory lung damage. I have pull out trays 8" below the wire that are changed weekly with an appropriate mask on. Do you guys that clean your wood bottom kit boxes daily employ the use of an high particle mask? I do have a wood bottom breeder loft with a sand base and plenty of ventilation that is sifted to remove clumps weekly and I always use a mask even to band birds. I will admit that I am in the process of designing a flattened wire mesh pull up floor for my breeding loft as I think wood flooring is not healthy to the birds and especially to the owner-my health comes first before my birds! Of course to each his own-just my preference! Otis
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Hifly11
5 posts
Jan 02, 2008
10:39 AM
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My kit box has wire, with a removable wood floor for the bad weather. A wood floor in the summer gets real hot. . The wire floor gives good ventalion on those hot summer days.Also a wood floor with 20 birds in a kit box gets messie fast. Lots of scrapping. I like the wire but I need a tray under it to catch droppings and feed that is spilled. I find the squirls under my box eating grain that falls.
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Oldfart
397 posts
Jan 02, 2008
10:54 AM
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Otis, I also have much the same setup as you with the sand
filled pullout trays. As a retired firefighter, I was considered wimpy for wanting to wear a mask into the fire scene and was too young to stand up for myself, and now I have breathing issues( pride before a fall, so to speak). I would prefer to wear a mask while cleaning but have been unable to find one that I think would work. My question is, what type do you wear and where did you get it.
Thanks, Thom
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spinner jim
213 posts
Jan 02, 2008
10:56 AM
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Wire floors are not suited to my set up,we would be over-run with mice if i had wire flooring,also with well ventilated lofts you dont normally get lung/breathing problems,i dont think the droppings are the problem,its the bloom or feather dust that gets inside your airways and causes the chest infections,also on the subject of perches i find that my birds stay healthier and cleaner on V perches ,jmo,Jim uk.
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2008 10:58 AM
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Windjammer Loft
103 posts
Jan 02, 2008
11:09 AM
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THOM
I use a plain old, what they call a painters mask. It has a thin wire frame that I pinch around my noise to fit tightly. It has an elastic band that goes around your head to make a snug fit.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 02, 2008 11:11 AM
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ptlofts
17 posts
Jan 02, 2008
12:17 PM
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Skyline, thats an excelent job with thos kit boxes.
ps.do you have a project draw from those that you could spare?
Regards.
Pedro
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Skylineloft
804 posts
Jan 02, 2008
12:47 PM
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Pedro,
No I do not, but IM in the process in building another one right now. I will take detailed photos this time and post them if there is enough interest.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Missouri-Flyer
1192 posts
Jan 02, 2008
1:36 PM
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Ray, ummmm..LOL
Nice box
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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J T
125 posts
Jan 02, 2008
2:57 PM
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Wire floor, 1X1
No mating, no eggs, no scraping, & no sick birds.
JT
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Missouri-Flyer
1202 posts
Jan 02, 2008
3:09 PM
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I have both, and like both. I have NEVER had an egg laid in either, and have never had issues with sicks birds due to wire or wood.. I scrape EVERY day, and when they eat from the floor, it is clean, so no issues.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Joe Dan
36 posts
Jan 02, 2008
4:35 PM
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Hey Ray,
Arent Jerry's kit boxes wood floors? I have only been there once but it seems like I remember his being wood floors and I was surprised by that??? I also had some serious brain cell losses in the 70's and 80's too though... LOL
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Joe Dan Parson
Full Turn Lofts
North Texas
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Skylineloft
808 posts
Jan 02, 2008
4:47 PM
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All wire Joe Dan.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Joe Dan
37 posts
Jan 02, 2008
5:19 PM
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I'm thinking of someone else but I cannot for the life of me remember who... oh well?
I am pro-wire floors too. I put 1/2" X 1" wire in the floors of all my kit boxes because I did not want snakes or rodents getting through anything larger, but I know wish that I would have used 1" X 2" wire which I think really helps to deter the birds from wanting to mate and breed in the kit boxes, and just addressed the rodent and snake issues with other means.
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Joe Dan Parson
Full Turn Lofts
North Texas
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
875 posts
Jan 02, 2008
5:53 PM
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How u been joe dan u have any pics or your kit boxes or set up ???
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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maxspin
151 posts
Jan 02, 2008
5:57 PM
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I like wire floors. I have both 1 X 1 and 1 X 2. I like the 1 X 2 better. I do not have snakes here so no worries. I do not feed the birds in the kitboxes. I have the kitboxes hung on the outside of a "kit box loft". I feed them on the floor of it.
Keith
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Joe Dan
38 posts
Jan 02, 2008
8:27 PM
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Wazsup Ruddddeeee...
I will get some pictures taken soonof my set up and post them. My kit box loft (10'X16') and is actually 1/2 of my main loft (10'X32'). So all of my kit boxes (6 of them) are tall walk in kit boxes 4'wide, 3'deep, 6'6" tall. There are 36 V perches on the back wall only of each kit box (I personally do not like perches on the side walls of my kit boxes). My kit box doors are wire so I can sit in my common area and look into all my kit boxes and enjoy my birds on the perch. This is one of the main reasons AI do not like perches on the side walls of my kit boxes, I like them all on the back wall looking at me and I found that they do not want to keep jockying for a different perch all the time... they pretty much assume there position and spin around guarding that perch. All of my kit boxes open into what I call a common area that is 10'X 7'. I trap my birds into this common area and I also feed my birds in this common area. I sit down on a stool and feed my birds right in front of me on the floor in 24"X24"X2" pans/trays (1 pan allows up to 20 birds to eat comfortably) like Ray has in his kit box. This allows me to pick my birds up and feel them as they are eating and look them over real good and I really enjoy this bonding with my birds if you will. When they are through eating, I have grit and oyster shell in a container on the floor and I usually allow them to have a bit of it before I run them up into the kit box of my choice. I got this kit loft idea from Alex Hamilton and Heine Bijkers lofts and changed it up a bit to suit what I wanted. I hope you guys are able to get at least somwhat of a visual from my lame description... LOL I will try to get some pictures posted before too long
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Joe Dan Parson
Full Turn Lofts
North Texas
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