Skylineloft
887 posts
Jan 10, 2008
12:27 PM
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List,
When does the barometric pressure become a issue ? or do you think it is a issue at all ?. I have been told in the past by well known flyers, If the barometric pressure gets to 30.03 and rising, don't fly your birds or you could be setting yourself up for a overfly. If the barometric pressure is higher then that but its holding steady, meaning not rising anymore would it be safe to fly your birds or would they still be at risk of being pulled up into the heavens ? These are just a few questions I always ask myself and wonder if anybody has a opinion on this. Last year I overflew my whole #1 team when the barometric pressure was rising. It was not rising when I let them out that morning, but it did rise after I released my birds. It climbed to 30.07 that day. My birds where also on edge because I was experimenting with them for future competitions. I had a high cloud cover that day, not unusual for where I live but they where hit by a falcon as well. That freaked them out and they went into that cloud cover never to be seen again. One good team, all gone. I did get three back from phone calls by putting my phone number on my birds. They where over 20 miles away.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Missouri-Flyer
1223 posts
Jan 10, 2008
2:08 PM
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Ray,
I have never checked the Baro. in my years of flying, so I cant say one way or the other..I will say that over the past 4 years, that I have suffered 2 overflys that took both kits. Out of those 45 that flew off, I only had 7 that returned..Maybe if I had checked the Baro. things would be different, BUT...I am one to fly every day no matter what, unless the weather is bad, like today with the wind and rain.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Skylineloft
889 posts
Jan 10, 2008
2:14 PM
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I have a weather station just a couple of blocks from my house so I always look to see what's going on and how it effects my birds.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Windjammer Loft
131 posts
Jan 10, 2008
3:28 PM
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RAY...I now fly STRICKLY by what my baramoter reads. This summer I lost a 12 bird kit to an OVERFLY,because of the pressure being HIGH 32 and rising. I too had very HIGH cloud cover also.
They just kept climbing higher and hogher,until they were out of sight. This is what I use:
In Summer:
31.0 to 30.5 Very Dry & Settled
30.5 to 30.0 Fair,if Falling, Rain Probable
30.0 to 29.5 Changeable Close and Showery
29.5 to 29.0 Very Unsettled and Much Rain
In Winter:
31.0 to 30.5 Cold with Frost and Fog
30.5 to 30.0 Clear and Cold
30.0 to 29.5 Changeable with Rain or Snow
29.5 to 29.0 Very Settled and Much Rain
I never used a barometer before to this time. But,now I swear by it. I live in Ohio if that makes a difference.I downloaded the Weather Bug. Its alot cheaper then buying a barometer too. It is the next best thing to having my own weatherman...LOL Hope this adds alittle light.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 11, 2008 8:55 AM
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Alohabirds
42 posts
Jan 10, 2008
4:05 PM
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Aloha Paul,
Thanks for the tip on Weather Bug. I just downloaded it, took only about 3 mins. Nice to just click on an icon and get the latest weather with barometric pressure. Now I'll be able to track if the pressure has any influence on my birds "skying out".
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Aloha, Dexter
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tapp
531 posts
Jan 10, 2008
4:23 PM
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Ray, Sounds like your overfly was more a feed and hawk thing my self, But what do I know! I lost 13 A team birds trying to get ready for W/C 2006 But mine got hit by hawks a few time's.They Kept getting hit farther and farther from my loft till they went out of sight. Not high out of sight but. Horisontal, then weather changed with three layers of clouds going 3 different directions! and I never got any back. I have weather bug. So i'll start checking. I'm like Jerry, Only time I don't fly is bad weather. Or hawks.Or I'm on my death bed!----------
Tapp
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
932 posts
Jan 10, 2008
4:27 PM
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I dont really believe in the barometric pressure..
My two cents only........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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black_hawk_down
80 posts
Jan 10, 2008
5:01 PM
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whoa....20 miles away from home....-joe
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Skylineloft
890 posts
Jan 10, 2008
6:13 PM
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Tapp,
You could be right, thats why I described everything that happened.
The barometer did go higher that day then it had in weeks where I live and did not climb again that high for a few more weeks afterwards. It could have just been the combination of things. That why I asked if the barometric pressure is high but is steady, will they still sky out on you ? I know some people are keeping records of this so IM just trying to get a feel of what everyone else has experienced. I do know this, In my area, there are many flyers. There have been days when it was high and I did not fly only to see strays flying through the sky's the next couple of days.
Paul,
Thanks for that chart you go by. Thats something I will copy and study for future fly days!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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jerrylynn
32 posts
Jan 10, 2008
6:43 PM
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Any time the barometer went over 30 there was a good chance that I was going to lose a kit! The family that I kept in the past were for the most high flyers and flew long. I lost many a bird to over fly's. To be safe over 30 keep them in!
Jerry Lynn
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Skylineloft
895 posts
Jan 10, 2008
7:33 PM
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Low cloud cover, light fog or a bright blue day can trick you right into disaster ...lol
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Donny James
247 posts
Jan 10, 2008
7:52 PM
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hay ray those well know flyers told u right the barometic pressuse has a lot to with the birds over flying or not i'm not sure on the numbers are i know if thebarometic pressure is going you can have a over fly..............donny james
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Santandercol
1758 posts
Jan 10, 2008
8:46 PM
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I've heard that when it goes up fast to a high pressure is when we get that inverted funnel effect and the winds at the top of that funnel are strong.It will appear calm on the ground but as the birds get up they are pulled into the wind.I had it happen once but most of the kit made it home.Since then I try to keep an eye on the barometer before flying.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Skylineloft
899 posts
Jan 10, 2008
8:52 PM
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Kel,
So would you say that was a problem from the barometer rising or just a high barometer. From what you said it sounds like when it is rising thats when you will get the funnel that will suck your birds up and spit them out into a different county, but if its steady, regardless of the pressure, there might not be a problem. What do you think ?
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Alohabirds
43 posts
Jan 10, 2008
10:42 PM
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Guess what guys.
Checked the pressure this afternoon, it showed 29.4 and dropping. Let out my oldest kit of young birds at about 4:00 pm, 28 in all. They were flying really nice for about 30 min, and then they started to go up. Ran in the house to check the pressure and it was 30.02 and rising. Well when it got dark at about 6:30, there was 3 in the kitbox and the rest of the kit still about 1000+' up. Got the floodlights on hoping some will drop in tonight. Going out to check now..................Got 10 in the box now :) We'll see what the morning brings.
P.S. The pressure is now 30.05 and still rising:(
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Aloha, Dexter
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
940 posts
Jan 11, 2008
3:15 AM
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I think overflys or flying up too high is a feed thing..
My 2 cents...........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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gotspin7
1171 posts
Jan 11, 2008
4:36 AM
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Ray, I check everyday before flying, I have lost kits as well, last year before the fall fly I lost my #1 kit. This is what happened that day, the pressure was up rising to 30.27 and as the kit flew away I came in the house and checked it again it was down 30.15. Only 9 came back still hurts!LOL... The website I use is www.wunderground.com..
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Sal Ortiz
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Santandercol
1759 posts
Jan 11, 2008
6:51 AM
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Ray,
Seems like when it is just high pressure,steady like,it's windy(usually a NW wind here on the wetcoast)from the ground up so depending on the wind velocity easy to make a judgement on whether to kick 'em out or not.The time I had that overfly fast rising high above 30 and same day John Weins who lives 30 miles from me to the east and Al Hunt in the interior of the province we all had overflies same day.Mistake in feeding?I don't think so.JMO.----------
Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Alohabirds
44 posts
Jan 11, 2008
8:42 AM
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It's 6:40 now, still dark out but I went out to check the kit box. No one else dropped down during the night, 18 still MIA. The pressure is 30.08 and still rising. :( Hopefully daylight brings some good news.
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Aloha, Dexter
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Windjammer Loft
132 posts
Jan 11, 2008
9:13 AM
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DEXTER.....Sorry to hear about your loss. When I had mine I just watched in HORROR. I whistled frantically and shock the feed can but nothing I did was working. They just kept circling higher and higher. Until they flew out of sight. Their was a big BLUE space above the big white fluffy clouds. Like their was a vacume cleaner that SUCKED them up in to the Blue part of the sky. That was the last time I saw them . After a week went by I got 1 bird back out of the 12. The WORSE part about it was they were my first kit of Flying Oriental Rollers. I only had them for about 2 months. They were just starting to preform for me. That being said,I FAITHFULLY check on the barometric pressure before I let ANY of my birds out. A wise but painfull lession learned that day.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Skylineloft
901 posts
Jan 11, 2008
9:45 AM
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Sal,
Thats the website I use as well.
Dexter,
sorry to hear about your loss.
Hope you get more back.
This is all good information and it looks like there is evidence of bird loss from the pressure rising.
I would still like to hear more information on flying birds in high pressure but it holding steady if anybody has records of that. At this time I will not fly my birds in it.
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Windjammer Loft
134 posts
Jan 11, 2008
9:53 AM
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RAY......I am not a merterilogist by any means.....LOL. I got my info from surfen the web. Their are many sites dealing with Baromters and HOW they wrok. I found many EXPLANATIONS about the weather that I didn't even know excisted. If you just take a look you just might have many unexplained question answered for you. Hope this might help. I sure did for ME.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Alohabirds
45 posts
Jan 11, 2008
12:59 PM
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Update
I had 18 birds back in the kitbox before I had to leave for work :) Hopefully the rest will be back when I get home.
Question - Some of the birds looked like they were flying all night and when they were comming in they came from above the clouds. Do you think that these birds were flying all night???
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Aloha, Dexter
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Skylineloft
906 posts
Jan 11, 2008
3:58 PM
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Dexter,
Glad to hear you got so many back.
Thats great news!!! As far as them flying all night...LOL..Theres no telling with these birds, they are some amazing creatures. LOL
Thanks for the advise Paul,
I will do some more research as well
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Bill C
46 posts
Jan 11, 2008
7:28 PM
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Dexter, Glad to hear you got 18 back, Your over fly also could be flying these birds too late in the day. I once let out a young kit at around 4 PM in winter and they started comming down only to have it lighter in the sky and darker down by the trees and yard. They just went back up. I went out at night and found several that had landed on the ground, bushes anywhere. I got six in and by day light most all of them had returned. But sometimes they will stay up where the sun is light and eventually land in a city where the sky is lit up with lights.
I agree with you guys the high pressure rising will definately take the birds up if it is right over you, even if the birds are barely fed. I have proof of that here in Sacramento.
One day we had a local fly and the first kit skied out. All the guys have the birds flying around 25 minutes to 30 minutes for the fly. That kit set the trend for the rest of the day. Nearly every kit skied out so high the judge could only score them in the first 5 minutes, they went up that fast. Now you know 8 roller guys are all not going to be feeding too much on a comp fly.
This is very common here that the first kit often sets the trend for what to expect at the rest of the flys. I had just mentioned to a our local guys to get some informaiton from the weahter guys on the baraometer readings and help explain just what all is going on in the atmousfear to help us out. We get alot of that rising barometer 30.2 and up that can get the birds to sky out. The rollers get a lift in the air just like seaguls use to coast in circles. BUt the rollers keep moving their wings and go up and up.
If you have buzzards fly by low you know there is not a high barometer rising, but when you see them circle and not using their wings and start going up you know its a bad time to fly.
Have you ever seen a buzzard or some seaguls come fly into where you rollers are flying and circle and then leave. They see the rollers flying and going up and they think there is that warm air rising and they circle to only to find , where is it. They are looking for that hot air so they won't have to bat their wings.
I have a barometer but I actually don't use it as much. If you fly in the morning you have the best weather to fly in. Noon and after noons are much worse.
Feeding the birds to much will actually help the rollers if they get cought in an up draft. The problem is these small hens are tired and can't fight the rising air to come down and they just coast rise with out effert, but to come down they have to fight. If fed and strong they might be more able to come down after an hour.
You will find most over flies happen when you have birds in tip top condition for competition. That is because they are just right for rolling and at their peak. But you can't keep them in that conditon continually day in day out, or you will have an over fly. You have to feed them down, get them ready and lean, fly then rest them and feed them up and over weeks do it again. This is some of the hard part of flying rollers. They need to train but also rest and recouperate. I tend to feed my birds more and keep them in trim shape just for comp flying. I lose a kit more to young active team rolling and nobody is driving and they drift off. That is over feeding a kit. Good luck! Bill C
Last Edited by on Jan 11, 2008 7:35 PM
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Snake Doctor
143 posts
Jan 11, 2008
9:25 PM
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Do you believe the problem is the high presure itself or is it the presure in the act of changing that causes the birds to sky out?
Do you find a falling barometer forces the birds to fly low possibly causing bumps and roll downs?
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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Alohabirds
46 posts
Jan 11, 2008
9:32 PM
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Thanks guys for all your concern and advice.
Good news, came home today and found 27 in the kit box, only one MIA.:)It would have to be a decent cock-bird that went missing. Those don't come around too often.
These birds definitely are not overfed. (With the price of wheat at $24 a 50lb bag it's a lot easier to keep control of the feed can.) These birds usually fly 30 min to no more than an hour, I usually fly them about 5:00 pm when I get home from work but yesterday I was home and got them out earlier than usual, so I don't think the time flown was the problem.
I'm going to have to start keeping track of the weather and see if that was the major factor or if it was just dumb luck that we were talking about high pressure and my birds decide to pull this stunt.
Anyways, till the next overfly!!!!
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Aloha, Dexter
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Skylineloft
918 posts
Jan 11, 2008
10:34 PM
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Thats good news Dexter!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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Windjammer Loft
145 posts
Jan 12, 2008
3:31 PM
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GREAT news Dexter.......Iam glad for their safe return to you.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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