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Interviewing Roller People 1-10 Questions
Interviewing Roller People 1-10 Questions
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155
112 posts
Jan 14, 2008
1:27 PM
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Questions 1-10:
1.)First of all, please state your name, age, occupation, and where you live.
2.)How long have you had Rollers and how did you become started?
3.)What is your present family origin and how long have you been working with them?
4.) Describe your breeding program, how many pairs you use, and what type of system you use. Examples would be open loft, polygamous, individual pens, etc. How many young do you raise each year?
5.)how do you select birds for stock? What are your requirements?
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
7.)How many kits do you fly? How many per kit? How often do you fly your young birds, and how often do you fly your holdover kit?
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
9.) What do you do to a kit to get them ready for competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do to alter them to get enhanced performance?
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training Rollers?
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mcroller
65 posts
Jan 14, 2008
2:03 PM
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sorry what was that again? jimmi
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155
114 posts
Jan 14, 2008
2:04 PM
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go back to sleep......
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Skylineloft
935 posts
Jan 14, 2008
2:05 PM
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I will answer the # 10 question........
ENJOY THE BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ray
Breeding Quality Spinners,
"One Roller At A Time".
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155
115 posts
Jan 14, 2008
2:12 PM
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I saw this question being asked to Monty Neibel by Rick Mee in a World Cup Roller Magazine i'll post what Monty Neibel answered after I see a real roller man answer this questions.
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spinner jim
218 posts
Jan 14, 2008
2:55 PM
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Are you sure you dont have anything else you would like to know ,? lol jim uk.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
972 posts
Jan 14, 2008
3:42 PM
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Man lots of questions...lol
Ibetta go get me another drink so i cam memorize it....lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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smoke747
516 posts
Jan 14, 2008
4:48 PM
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1). Keith London. 43yrs old . Basketball coach and trainer-high school and Recs and parks. live in Los Angeles, CA
2). I've had rolers 32yrs. My uncle introduced me to rollers.
3). My present family of rollers are a cross between my smoke birds and the Higgins/Reed family. I've had my Smoke family for 17yrs and the Hig/Reed 8yrs.
4). I breed 32 pairs in 2 seperate 16 pair open lofts. I breed about 200+ birds a year.
5&6). I select birds from from my kits that show the attributes while flying and performing that will help better my family of birds. The birds that I dont fly out are stocked for expression, type, character, size, and sometimes color(checkers red or blue mostly).
7). I fly 4-5 kits, but i'm trying to fly all seven.
8&9). I feed a 12% mixed grain w/popcorn most of the time.I feed wheat when trying to get the birds into condition(remove the fat) before a fly.(2 weeks)
10).REPETITION, DISCIPLINE and PATIENCE
SMOKE747
Last Edited by on Jan 15, 2008 10:18 AM
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Mark
16 posts
Jan 14, 2008
7:24 PM
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1) Mark Rivera, 48 yrs old, truck driver, Garden Grove CA
2) Had rollers as a kid in Wilmington CA (late 60's into the early 70's) that went back to Bob Scott and a guy named Dick Berg. I started back after I got my house and started my family. Thanks Arnold Alverdez, Tim Decker, JV, Dillahay
3) 272, Tim Decker's 4in1 family, and my Arkansas stuff
4) I breed out of 14 individuals. I breed somewhere about 150 a year.
5) Out of the air. They have to do EVERYTHING right.
6) I find in most cases that if a bird does everything right in the air, he or she will have the total package. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. My families are pretty tight, so I don't use pedigrees much at all.
7) 4, 25-30 per kit, Young birds fly as many times a day that I can put them up, Older birds about every 3-4 days.
8) 12% for the Young birds and scratch for the Older birds
(this feed is only during the fly season) During the molt they get 14% with extra safflower added.
9) Take the fat off of them.
10) A person has to follow a game plan. If he strays from it it (IMHO) it will only set him back and then he has to play catch up. I never play favorites and I don't care for color birds. If the truth be know I perfer dunns and hard colored birds.
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gotspin7
1225 posts
Jan 15, 2008
5:17 AM
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First of all, please state your name, age, occupation, and where you live.
Sal Ortiz, 31, Mortgage Lender,Arkansas
2.)How long have you had Rollers and how did you become started?
I started when I was 12, fell on my ass and as I looked up there they were!LOL, I had a neighbor that flew his whole flock as we called it back in the days! Breeders and young together!
3.)What is your present family origin and how long have you been working with them?
My birds go back to the Norm Reed and Jerry Higgins birds, same blood!
4.) Describe your breeding program, how many pairs you use, and what type of system you use. Examples would be open loft, polygamous, individual pens, etc. How many young do you raise each year?
18 pairs, about 150 young!
5.)how do you select birds for stock? What are your requirements?
Velocity, kitting ability, frequency, and must love to roll
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
I stock what I need and not what I want!LOL, Pedigrees do not roll! LOL
7.)How many kits do you fly? How many per kit? How often do you fly your young birds, and how often do you fly your holdover kit?
Right now I am down to 3 kits about 25 birds each, I usually have about 6 kits that hold about 160 birds. I fly them every other day. I fly the hold over on weekends.
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
Young get 16% pigeon mix and hold overs get 12% pigeon mix
9.) What do you do to a kit to get them ready for competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do to alter them to get enhanced performance?
I talk to them!LOL, I feed wheat and fly them often. 15 days and no tricks! These love to roll!LOL
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training Rollers?
Patience!
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Sal Ortiz
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Flipmode
48 posts
Jan 15, 2008
8:37 AM
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1)First of all, please state your name, age, occupation, and where you live.
*Mike Walton, 31, Truck Driver, Los Angeles area.
2.)How long have you had Rollers and how did you become started?
*Since 2000, my neighbor had a few tumblers.
3.)What is your present family origin and how long have you been working with them?
*John Jones(SanDiego,CA) and Ernie Trujillo's (Compton,CA) birds crossed.(FLIPMODE vida/jones)since 2001
4.) Describe your breeding program, how many pairs you use, and what type of system you use. Examples would be open loft, polygamous, individual pens, etc. How many young do you raise each year?
*Individual breeding pens, I breed out of 6 pairs using homers for pumpers. 30-40 babies a year
5.)How do you select birds for stock? What are your requirements?
*PERFORMANCE comes 1st. Then color, type, etc.
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
*All are secondary to performance, And I keep detailed pedigrees
7.)How many kits do you fly? How many per kit? How often do you fly your young birds, and how often do you fly your holdover kit?
*I only fly 1 kit a year, Between 1-3 times everyday depending on the weather and kit activity
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
*ALL birds are fed 16%, grit w/oystershell and all they want!
9.) What do you do to a kit to get them ready for competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do to alter them to get enhanced performance?
*Nothing special, no preparation. Just crack the kitbox
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training rollers?
*Patience, flying as much as possible and culling hard
Last Edited by on Jan 17, 2008 7:17 AM
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washington86
136 posts
Jan 15, 2008
9:10 AM
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1. Washington Cha, 21, College Student, Murrieta CALIFORNIA "GO CHARGERS"
2.Started when I was 10 yrs old, had to quit then went right back to it at age 16.
3. Higgins/Reed
4. 2 pairs MAX, Need cocks, too many Hens. OPEN LOFT BREEDING
5. THE BEST OF THE BEST
6. I DON'T TRUST PEDIGREES. BREED FROM MY BEST
7. 1 KIT - 15 BIRDS
8. PIGEON POP...............POP.....POP
9. 3 DAYS A WEEK IS PREPARATION FOR THEM BIRDS
10. PATIENCE IS THE "ANSWER"
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COYOTE33
38 posts
Jan 15, 2008
9:36 AM
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1. Darryl wylie, 47 lausd,LA calif
2. started in rollers in 1972 a guy at my school showed me his homers. i caught a little blk&wht baldie at the fish market the rest is history.
3.i have dick stepens old pensom family which i got in 93 and when he died i got all of the continentals. i also have a pure line of plona's
4.i like both breeding programs, i have open and stall, some brids are better breeders in the open. fifty to a hundred young birds out of 32 pairs
5.right type style and temperment and if its something i like it will never see the air.
6.l love a number ten eye and hard feathers
7.i've only had time for two kits but would like to fly more
8.safflower,milo, wheat and vech mix
9.havn't flown in competition but i like to tweek my birds with the variation of feed.
10.you must have total control of your birds, they do what you say and not the other way around.
coyote
Last Edited by on Jan 15, 2008 9:37 AM
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Windjammer Loft
154 posts
Jan 15, 2008
9:49 AM
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Well 155.......I'd really like to know alittle more about YOU first of all. Go to the top of the screen and "click" on User Control Panel. Before I divulge all of the info..
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2008 2:46 PM
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155
116 posts
Jan 15, 2008
10:06 AM
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1.)Jose M. Jimenez, 30 years old, I was raised in Compton California but moved out here to nice quiet Mesa Arizona, Local Truck Driver.
2.)I had rollers when I was younger but when I got a little older I started to get into trouble. I started raising birds again in 2006.
3.)I started out with Manuel Moreno birds I also have Jerry Higgins and Mason birds.
4.)I have 20 pairs down my program is to start breeding around January I only want to raise 100 rollers this year. I have indiviual breeding cages only.
5.)Well so far I have not selected any stock birds I would like to wait 2-3 years max. I want a birds that rolls hard and never roll down and kits good and doesnt give me no trouble with in those 2-3 years.
6.)I really don't care about eyes, color or pedigree that much thats not what rolls.
7.)I have 1 at the moment with 22 birds. My goal is to have only good quality birds so i'm very selective with my rollers.
8.)My young birds usually when they come out of the nest bowls I only give them millow then when there ready to fly I mix them wheat, millow and barley.
9.)No, I don't feed my birds anything special for competition. I just cut back a little on the feed and its the same feed I answer in question number 8.
10.)You must have a lot of patients, constent,and thats it.
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broadwaystar
26 posts
Jan 15, 2008
8:30 PM
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after answering all those questions all i want to know is when do i start working and how much does this job pay
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jim
60 posts
Jan 16, 2008
10:11 AM
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1)Jim,37,Production Supervisor,Alberton South Africa.
2)6 years
3)Mason, Bill Barrot, Ollie Harris and Ken White
4)Breed of two breeding lofts, 12 nests in each work in a triangle in my family eg. Mason Ken White cross back to a Olly Harris or Bill Barrat. Normally breed aboat a hundred babies. At the moment got hold over kit and three baby kits.We normally get 70 club rings every year.
5)Select my birds in the air concertrating on quality but now I started marking birds that roll at least 30-36 times in 20 minutes. I look for birds that I can't see roll they are the ones that normally roll tohether. I don't believe in "all stars" anymore.
6)I don't care about any sign except the roll.
7)4 to 5 Kits. I fly 21 to 22 birds per kit. It's easier to take one out than to replace or increase the numbers. Baby kits fly as often as possible, the more you fly them the more they come into the roll. Holdover maybe twice a week depending on the mould
8)I feed a high protein feed available from a local supplier untill young birds have their first mould. After the first mould I feed my kit birds weed, sunflower and buckweed.
9) Work with a fourteen day programme. The birds will show you what to do the next day. I definately take them of high protein. Three days before the competition I feed them "Karate" water, epson salts, brown sugar, bicarb......
10) Get to know you're breed and keep to what they are use to. Shock them when needed but remember they roll because u know what they want and respect that. you're best family might not be my best family. Everybody has good birds but find one that suites your hand.
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Jim Mason
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Windjammer Loft
158 posts
Jan 16, 2008
10:15 AM
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Thanks 155...its not that I DON'T have trust in you,cause I don't know you YET. I just like to play it safe. TOO much SHIT goes on out in the real world. Identy Theft,birds getten stolen and all that sorta stuff.
broadwaystar...that was a GOOD one !!!!!!....LOL
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2008 2:47 PM
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155
117 posts
Jan 16, 2008
10:32 AM
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This to Windjammer Loft and to Ptlofs HELL NO I ain't no FED I don't like anything that has to do with law inforcement..... 155
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Windjammer Loft
159 posts
Jan 16, 2008
10:43 AM
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155... I wasn't making any ACCUSATIONS of the kind. I just don't give out personnel info on a wim... I haven't seen you in the forum much before, thats all. Be cool,I just like to know something about someone first. Your ok with ME....If you would "click" on the User Control Panel and put in "info" about yourself,things like this would be avoided. Glad to have you with us.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 16, 2008 10:47 AM
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155
118 posts
Jan 16, 2008
11:02 AM
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I dint know how to fix my profile but now its fix but later i'll add some pictures and stuff on it..
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ron
48 posts
Jan 16, 2008
12:02 PM
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Hey to all concerned, i can vouch for Jose (155). He's cool and is working on getting it together, i dropped by when i was doing some work in Arizona . Hope everything is going good for you Jose and the familia, looking forward to dropping by this year too .
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R.Luna/HDRC
LUNA'S LOFT
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155
119 posts
Jan 16, 2008
3:11 PM
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ron
just give me a call when you are in arizona.
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155
120 posts
Jan 16, 2008
4:06 PM
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1998 Interview with Monty Neibel
by rick mee
1:Monty j.Neibel 57,retired,Qualicum beach,Vanncouver Island,B.C Canada.
2:I have rollers 43 years.I became stated in rollers from Martin billing,Tom mason,harry Dash and ron scramstad.
3:Present birds are from bruce cooper, 1969-72. a few pairs from the late clint holingsworth.
4:there is no hard set rule for the number of breeders i use, only use what is worthy
5:Requirements for stock birds must roll hard to spin with good style and kit well and show no deterioration.
6:I pay no attention to eye sign or color. Size + type 99/o fo the time looks after itself if the bird performs properly .any bird that is the exception to the rule is simlpy floen. no, i do not rely much on pedigrees.
7:I usually fly 4 kits. one team of old cocks,one team of old hens, and 2 young bird kits. kits usually contain 18 - 30 birds. young birds are flown every day if possible tin they come on decent from and are then flown every other day. all birds good enough to advance to the number 1 kit,usually all hens,are flown every 3 days.
8:I usually keep kits on 99%wheat,5%millet with red mineral grit occasionally, a mix in the winter. i also use samall amounts of belgium minerel powder.young bird kit are fed the least.
9:in getting a kit ready for competition, i start by getting rid of all birds that tend to not go on the breaks. birds are kept on a strict 3 day schedule and then held 4 days for the big fly.i stress them by breaking them dowm with samaller amounts of feed and use grit and mineral powder to cook them up.IN SHORT,I YO YO FEED DRAMATICALLY UP AND DOWN.
10:THE MOST INMPORTANT THINGS WHEN TRAINING ROLLERS ARE TO TRAIN ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE,RECORD AND ObSERVE. NEVER RELEASE A GOOD KIT WITHOUT A PLAN.WHEN IN DOUbT ABOUT THE WEATHER,AND IF THE KIT LOOKS TOO GOOD,DO NOT RELEASE THEM......
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
998 posts
Jan 16, 2008
4:11 PM
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Good post 155 good info.........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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155
136 posts
Jan 16, 2008
6:07 PM
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who next????????
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Donny James
267 posts
Jan 16, 2008
8:57 PM
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1)Donny James 47 Janitor (Disable) Ferron,Utah
2)34 years Steve Turner and Bill Berry got me Started
3)Blue Almonds ans Tom Monson Blue Almond 18 years and Ton Monson 5 years
4)My brother in law uses a open loft 4 pairs
5)they have t roll and roll right tight and fast like a ball
6)yes the eye sign does play factor into itand does to color don't really matterno pedigree doesn't play a part
7)1 hold over kit and 1 young kit the young kit 2-3 times a day until they come into the roll and 1 time a day the hold over kit 1 time a day
8)no about 14 mix feed with out pop corn
9)no 14 %with out pop corn and i find out whatday i'm flying and time and count back 30 days and fly every other day and what time i'll fly and fly that time and pull the water and grit out and put the water in there long enough until the 1 st bird goes the perch or 15 minutes is up and then pull the wall and about 3 days before fly i will give them epson salt
10)in my honest opinion that i hoped i did ever thing right in my power to win the fly..............donny james
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elopez
378 posts
Jan 16, 2008
9:21 PM
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1.)First of all, please state your name, age, occupation, and where you live.
Efren Lopez
29 yrs
Business Owner
Real Estate and Logistics Company
Hacienda Heights, CA
2.)How long have you had Rollers and how did you become started?
Started back when I was around 17yrs till about 20yrs. Just got back into it around Oct of 06.
3.)What is your present family origin and how long have you been working with them?
Keith London, worked with them since I got 8 ball from Keith when I was younger. Now I have his great great great grandkids...
4.) Describe your breeding program, how many pairs you use, and what type of system you use. Examples would be open loft, polygamous, individual pens, etc. How many young do you raise each year?
32 pairs, open loft. Last year I raised around 150 and only have 69 left. BOP got me real bad last year. I'm working around them a bit more this year as I'm not flying 2-3 times daily and holding in once I get hit. I will raise around the same this year.
5.)how do you select birds for stock? What are your requirements?
Like Ray F. Most of my birds I have never seen fly but I've either seen full bro/sis fly or they were proven producers. Now that I have my stock, I will only stock on what proves itself in the air. Unless, Keith puts down some of his special pairs.
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
No, although I do favor certain color and type I am stocking on performance.
7.)How many kits do you fly? How many per kit? How often do you fly your young birds, and how often do you fly your holdover kit?
Currently flying 4 kits, in process of getting 2 more. Want to be more competitive this year. Try to fly my young kit daily. Holdover kit fly around once every other week until the flying conditions get better will fly daily.
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
12% for all kits, 16% for breeders
9.) What do you do to a kit to get them ready for competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do to alter them to get enhanced performance?
No special things, just holding them in the day prior to the fly.
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training Rollers?
Fly, fly, fly, fly. Pull what’s not working and be consistent with them.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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Shadow
14 posts
Jan 17, 2008
3:56 AM
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Here Goes
1 Dominic Carton Waterford City Ireland 62 Retired
2 14 Months restarted/ Previous 14 years
3 Bill Barrett,Bob Brown,John Lenihan,lines
4 using Bull system this season with six hens with eggs floated under race birds.
5 Ability
6 Size and Type,would rather have pedigree of fancier than bird
7 One kit of 18 at present mixed age group,not sure what is a holdover kit
8 Most frequently used is barley,but most other grains fed at different stages when required.
9 I will use a knock down system approx for two weeks,second slowly introduce protein based seed,no fly for three days before fly
10 Observing all aspects them,and if at all possible regularity in all things concerning rollers
Last Edited by on Jan 17, 2008 3:58 AM
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Flipmode
56 posts
Jan 17, 2008
9:40 AM
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Hey Shadow, the 2nd part of your #6 answer is the best! lol
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Velo99
1533 posts
Jan 17, 2008
5:00 PM
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OK
1)Kenny Hartman,45,Amarillo Tx.
Marble guy extraordinaire.
2)4th season,I got some Cheney birds from my brothers friend.My brother and me had an all breeds loft in high school.
3)Have several different lines and have been experimenting.
4)I run 3-4 pairs with 2 fosters per pair. Indie pens until they get the hang of the program. I raised 90 last year. Only gonna raise 25 or so this season. Got my boxes full.
5)They have to produce as good or better than themselves.
6)Feather comes into play. Sometimes color when a griz is involved.Diferent circumstances call for different solutions.
7)I have 2 1/2 kits right now. I usually fly one a day weather permitting and all of them on the weekend.
8)I feed wbs hot mix,which is my own concoction,wheat,pellets,milo,and occasionlly barley.I feed the squeaks pretty good til they get thru the moult.After that I drop em down to the standard ratio. Feed is also a flexible situation-based operation.
9) Usually about two weeks out, the only thing I do different is switch em over to wheat and milo when prepping,use a little something to get a blast out of them when it is time to fly. Try it once before I peak em for fly day. Once again flexibility is the key.
10)Flexibility. Rollers are pretty amazing little birds. Not only for their God given gift, but their ability to respond to the vastly different stimuli we throw at them.
yits
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1019 posts
Jan 17, 2008
5:03 PM
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Hey v99 ...I just call u Red neck Hippie.....like that better......lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Velo99
1534 posts
Jan 17, 2008
5:07 PM
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Rudy,
meet me in the chat room
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V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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155
142 posts
Jan 18, 2008
4:31 PM
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who next ROLLES..............
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Missouri-Flyer
1228 posts
Jan 18, 2008
5:15 PM
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dont like law ENFORCEMENT?..whatcha hiding?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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lproller
1 post
Jan 21, 2008
2:41 PM
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1…Larry Phillips, age 58, retired High School Principal, I live in Lagrange, Ky
2…This is my second time around with rollers with this being my 5th breeding season, I started with raising rollers as a boy
3…I fly Carl Hardesty birds straight from his loft
4…I will be breeding from 8 pair this year and will place them together February 1st and will be going for 4 rounds
5…Breeders have been selected from the air
6…Eye sign, type, feather quality has little to do with selecting breeder stock for me strictly what I see in the air, I do mate light color to dark color when pairing the birds
7…I will be flying one holdover kit of 22 this spring and will place each round of young birds raised this winter in separate kits boxes and fly them by age groups until late fall
8…I feed hard red wheat, milo and peas
9…as far as getting ready for competition, I have only flown once in competition and learned a lot as what to not do to get them ready, still learning
10…for me spending time with your birds is the most important thing about training rollers, I coached high school football for many years and coaching kids is a whole lot like coaching birds…the outcome is the same you want them to perform their best on game day…
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155
146 posts
Jan 24, 2008
1:01 PM
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next
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kcfirl
259 posts
Jan 25, 2008
9:55 AM
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1.)Ken Firl, 47, Product Marketing Manager for Intel, Orangevale, ca
2.) I first had rollers aas a kid in NEwark CA then got them again 9 years ago.
3.)Present family is out of birds from Pensom-Hilton-Destouet-Starley-Easley
4.) I breed from 8 pairs in an open loft. I tried to design my nest boxes and lioft to maximize monagomy. I raise about 60 young for myself and another round that I give away.
5.)I pick stock birds out of my A team based on how they perform. If they are better performers than what I have in the stock loft, they get a chance. I avoid any birds that are way off on what I want for type or are too high strung.
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much? NO. I look at the pedigree only after the bird is selcted for stock and then in order to understand the mating that I choose.
7.)How many kits do you fly? 3 or 4 depending on the time of year. How many per kit? 15 - 25. How often do you fly your young birds: everyday. and how often do you fly your holdover kit?: every third day.
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? I feed young birds and all birds in the wintewr a 16% no corn mix with 10 different seeds. Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits? Old kit birds when flying get mainly wheat leading up to a comp. then after the comp, I feed them up for 3 or 4 days.
9.) To get a kit ready for competiitoin, I start at least three weeks out. I fly them every other day for a week, then every third day. Feeding is basically a yoyo feeding scheule using wheat. no special additives other than get 20 smokin birds together in one kit!
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training Rollers? Discipline, consistency, detailed.
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155
150 posts
Jan 29, 2008
9:59 AM
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ANY MORE ROLLER GUY UP TO THIS??
Last Edited by on Nov 07, 2008 7:10 PM
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155
885 posts
Nov 07, 2008
7:10 PM
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LET KEEP IT GOING
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EVILLOFT'S
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RodSD
7 posts
Nov 07, 2008
7:27 PM
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I don't have roller pigeons so I don't qualify to answer yours questions. But just imagine if they ask those questions during a job interview!
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THISROLL
38 posts
Nov 07, 2008
7:40 PM
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1.)vu,16.sacramento
2.)3 years..leftover pigeon turned into roller..(long story if wanna know ask me)=)
3.)no family right nnow...currently trying to rebuild..=)
4.) seperate breeding pen(i have 1 breeding pen enought for 2 pairs..) the most young that i got was 4 youngster...=(
5.)idk= i dont know..hmmmm
6.)not to this level of roller knowledge yet haha lol
7.)none,just getting serious now
8.)every body get the same thing..its all in the portion sizes..
9.) not in competition so idk
10.) themost important thing about traing roller is give them excercise they can be cage up most of the day..the food give the right amont not too much, water all the time.. and your ok=))))
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gotspin7
2011 posts
Nov 08, 2008
5:29 AM
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Common fellas keep this one going....
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Sal Ortiz
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quality
21 posts
Nov 08, 2008
7:38 AM
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1)Don Lunau, 48, This & That, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
2)38 yrs, saw my 1st spin-Hardcore 15 yrs.
3)Bob Brown & Bill Barrett, 15 years
4)14 pairs, individual, precise line breeding, 40
5)from the air, NO faults, size, shape, color, feather type, pedigree.
6)-Your best birds in the air will 90% of the time have the eye sign you are looking for, the other 10% will either be bulls eye or just plain too good not to stock.
-size, won't put 2 large birds together, like a medium sized bird not too small & not too big-Bob's birds through large birds, but he perferred a larger pigeon.
-type always a factor
-feather quality is more based around health issues
-color most definately when breeding real close family, such as full brother/sister, mother/son, father/daughter. In some cases 1/2 brother/sister depending on pedigree.
-pedigrees are a big part of selecting stock.
7)2 old bird & young bird. fly old cocks & old hens including yearlings. right now I have 50 cocks & 45 hens to fly next spring less a couple of new stock birds. A couple of old stock birds will be flown to keep their vigor up & give them a break from the breeding pens. Old birds consist of birds 10 years and younger, some have been to stock & some haven't for various reasons.
I fly all birds every day, my flying season is too short not to.
8)Flyers get fed Western wheat & some red milo when needed, & white field peas when needed, birds kept "REAL" hungry.
Young birds get mixed grain & as much as they will eat at meal time.
Next spring I'm going to try pellets for the breeders, but until now have fed a mixed grain.
9)All I do is give them 3 days rest & fly them the day before competition, then the day of competition the playing around is gone out of them & you get your best spinning out of them. Feeding remains the same, except less of it because they are sitting on the perches for 3 days.
10)REPETITIVENESS, REPETITIVENESS, REPETITIVENESS
PATIENCE, PATIENCE, PATIENCE
CULL, CULL, CULL
PS Birds are controlled by feed, the hungrier the better, water can also be used, I myself have water in front of my birds all the time. Your Question, but you let your young birds eat their fill. Yes but young birds use up that extra feed while they are growing & you will find they are just as hungry come feeding time as the old birds.
The old birds are kept so hungry that even after they are fed, they act like they haven't been. What I feed 20 young ones, I would feed 40 old ones
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jnyce
358 posts
Nov 08, 2008
2:23 PM
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1.)First of all, please state your name, age, occupation, and where you live.
*jerry toles,31yrs old medical day program instructor baltimore maryland
2.)How long have you had Rollers and how did you become started?
*i had rollers as a child 15 then got back in when i was 30 my father was a bird man
3.)What is your present family origin and how long have you been working with them?
*i have a cross of pluna and reed
4.) Describe your breeding program, how many pairs you use, and what type of system you use. Examples would be open loft, polygamous, individual pens, etc. How many young do you raise each year?
*open breeding loft 6 pairs maybe 60 youngs
5.)how do you select birds for stock? What are your requirements?
*you got to have the total package dont have to spin 40 to 50 but would be a plus
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
*performance performance performance no pedigree
7.)How many kits do you fly? How many per kit? How often do you fly your young birds, and how often do you fly your holdover kit?
*only have room for two kits one 15 the other 20 youngs twice a day 4 days a week if i have time older birds 3 time a week maybe 4
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
* not really regular 16% mix
9.) What do you do to a kit to get them ready for competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do to alter them to get enhanced performance?
*have yet to compete but would like to in the future
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training Rollers?
*HAVE PATIENCE dont rush the roll
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Windjammer Loft
467 posts
Nov 08, 2008
2:53 PM
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155......Seeing that your a newbie. Forum etiquette is "don't" use caps when you type. It means that you are yelling at us. No need to yell, just talk nornal. You have alot to learn grassahopper......LOL.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2008 2:54 PM
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155
894 posts
Nov 08, 2008
5:51 PM
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Just to let you know I don't see no where on this site where it says how to type or not to use caps cause people might think I am yelling at them but it shouldn't matter how I type as long as I am getting my point across and I am keeping it clean. Thanks for your opinion though.
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EVILLOFT'S
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Square
557 posts
Nov 09, 2008
12:25 PM
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O.K here goes
My Name is Booker, Im 36yers old, I am a Captain with the U.S.D.A forest Service. I currently live in Lake Isabella Ca.
Ive hade rollers specifically from age 7 to present. My father and uncle got me started.
One side of my present family was created around on cock bird PRC 7145 "91". this cock was put on four hens and then best to best. This group or rollers came from Manny,Tom, Doggie, and Robert outta Venice "Ghost Town" Calif, thease birds were Hilton/Pensom Crosses. The other side of my family comes from Rex Clark outta Orland Ca.Thease are Shackleton/Harris crosses I obtaind this family in 1997.
The breeding system Iused in the begining was the pylogamy system, utilizing power pigeon for record keeping. Now I breed out of two open lofts 8pairs in each. I decided to do this because all the birds are tight and I want to work on having a loft of good birds instead of a family based on a couple of great birds, in other words I just want a higher percentage and dont really care about pedegree..
Most I stock from the air usally after two seasons flying thats 12 months under the wing some times 18months under the wing, if my job dosent intefer.
Expression and performance is what it is for me, dont really care about colour of color of the eye, However I do consider the quality of feather.Done with the pedegrees at this time, However it was good record keeping that got me comfortable with the open loft deal.
I try to manage two to three 18-20bird kits a year however the work I do takes my away from home 14-18 days at a time. So this ends up being one comp kit and one young kit the squeeker kit usally gets dismantled by friends, for the sake of the birds developement. I fly the young as much as I can and the comp/holdovers once maby twice a week.
Feed well the young birds I basically hog feed, this means the get as much as they can consume in one feeding once a day. until they are balanced this is basically 17%. The older birds get a mix, but when it come time for comp they get 11% with safflower up until a week before comp then I remove all the fat,, this is to breakumdown however the are still vigerious.
The bigest thing most important for me is getting them on the wing,, flying flying and more flying, Its hard to see the product of years invested if they arnt on the wing. This in my opion is the bigest thing we are all faced with.. If all we had to worry about was picking, purchasing or creating the best pairing we would be "Golden", but if we cant flyum how do we know what we got?? Sure they my look good but the most important thig is how do they perform, Thats that,, And from what ive seen there are some goodones out there but it's just to hard to flyum in skys that are infested with hardship. For every action there is a reaction, Now my/our hobbie is suffering. We need to be able to enjoy our rollers at work and not for just 6months outta the year if we are lucky. Flying that's the most important...
Thanx for your time...
Square.. A.K.A "BOOKER"
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
Last Edited by on Nov 09, 2008 12:30 PM
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silver tail
589 posts
Nov 09, 2008
8:35 PM
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Questions 1-10:
1.)First of all, please state your name, age, occupation, and where you live.
Darik McGhee 39 LA Self Employed( Build Kit Boxes,Bird Loft Etc.)
2.)How long have you had Rollers and how did you become started?
Since I was 7yrs old My Uncle Craig
3.)What is your present family origin and how long have you been working with them?
Reed/ McCray /Smith 10yrs with the reed/McCray birds 15yrs with the smith birds
4.) Describe your breeding program, how many pairs you use, and what type of system you use. Examples would be open loft, polygamous, individual pens, etc. How many young do you raise each year?
Open loft most Individual main pairs and most years 25 to 30 pair I raise 200 to 300 a year
5.)how do you select birds for stock? What are your requirements?
Birds are picked from the sky two years in the air
6.)Do eye sign, size, type, feather quality, or color come into play when you select stock? Do you rely on pedigrees very much?
Pedigrees are not a factor at all for me paper can't roll. Roll is the most important everything else is low on the list.
7.)How many kits do you fly? How many per kit? How often do you fly your young birds, and how often do you fly your holdover kit?
three to six kits two times a day when I have the time hold over birds fly once or twice a week.
8.)Do you feed any particular type of grains or seeds? Any difference between feeding young and holdover kits?
Feed hold over birds less due to lack of execise
9.) What do you do to a kit to get them ready for competition? Do you feed any special feed? How many days do you start the preparation and do you have any tricks you do to alter them to get enhanced performance?
Talk to them (pep Talk) the week before comp we watch film.
10.) In your opinion, what are the most important thing about training Rollers?
Feed control is key
Last Edited by on Nov 09, 2008 8:37 PM
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