lee72
17 posts
Jan 18, 2008
2:26 PM
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at what age do you fly your young birds for the first time?
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tapp
534 posts
Jan 18, 2008
3:50 PM
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When featherd out good. Set them on the roof. You'll see them start taking little flights on there own. After a few days flag them up. Do it a at least two time's a Day. Keep them a little hungry so they trap in. In a few days they will be kitting and flying a little longer each time with the right amount of feed.
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Tapp
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Mount Airy Lofts
384 posts
Jan 18, 2008
4:12 PM
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No flagging over here for young birds. Just let them take off by themselves. Some will take to the air earlier than others. Eventually all will follow. Some times, you'll get one or two that simply will not take off due to age or what not. Start hand tossing these when the others are circling down to land. Continue hand tossing them until they get the point.
Just how I run things,
Thor
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Santandercol
1796 posts
Jan 19, 2008
5:25 AM
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I put 'em on the landing board about 3 1/2 weeks and start training 'em to the traps.By six weeks they're flying usually.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1036 posts
Jan 19, 2008
5:28 AM
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Buenos dias kelly...................
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Santandercol
1798 posts
Jan 19, 2008
5:31 AM
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Rudy,
Que hubo,que tal,que mas,como estas???
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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c robbo
198 posts
Mar 08, 2008
6:41 AM
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at 12 weeks old.you will see the eyes start to change. and that is how you no when to get them up flying.
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W@yne
1177 posts
Mar 08, 2008
11:38 PM
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Good post Chris you are spot on
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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sundance
518 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:26 AM
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Quite a difference between the US flyers and the UK flyers. Most here like to get ``em out early, like 4,6 and 8 weeks. Then the UK guys post up that they like to get them out at about 12 weeks.....
Chris or Wayne, can you explain your theory about why do you wait till 12 weeks. And what does their eyes changing have to do with it? this is very interesting to me.
I think most on this side of the pond want to see early roll, partially due to the BOPs. There also seems to be the theory that if we wait too long they lose the ability to develope the roll properly.
Posr up guys !!!!!
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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c robbo
208 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:46 AM
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sundance 12 weeks and the will fly and kit. do ya birds kit at 6to 8 weeks old. i dont think so mate.
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Santandercol
2138 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:19 AM
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Oh yeah,for sure mine are kitting by 8 weeks or even six.12 weeks is almost 3 months!!!Jeez if I waited that long that is like tossing 7 weeks of fly time out the window.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Missouri-Flyer
1440 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:26 AM
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At 12 weeks old, the birds are strong on the wing already, even if they have never been flown, meaning that they are strong enough to take flight the first time out, which will provoke more fly offs by the young. I have seen it to many times for anyone to say otherwise!
I get them out by the 5 week mark....12 weeks?..hmmm
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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W@yne
1178 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:30 AM
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My birds are took away from the nest around 4 to 5 weeks old or fully feathered under the wing whatever comes first. I dont believe in taking them away from the nest too early i want my youngsters to be healthy and have a good start from their parents.
Then i get them trained to eat on there own using small seed only first of all and drink dipping there heads into the water getting them trained to drink by themselves.
At around 6 weeks old my birds are caged on the top of the loft for around a week or so. Then at around 8 weeks old i let them fly from my loft rooftop to the floor getting them used to the food tin.
At 9 weeks old i let them fly to house roof top and back also getting the youngsters to go to the top ridge looking around and absorbing the areas around my location.
Then at around 10 to 12 weeks i flag them up making sure they are kept hungry. I find that three times out flying they will kit up and fly real good. This way i very hardly loose a youngster. I am happy with the results when flying as youngsters but i know every one has there own way of doing this so stick to whats best and works for yourselves.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 8:00 AM
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c robbo
210 posts
Mar 09, 2008
10:32 AM
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nice one w@yne. 6 to 8 weeks is to young for young to be up flying in my apinion mate. great post mate.
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j .wanless
4 posts
Mar 09, 2008
2:20 PM
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robbo&wayne sorry lads dont agree the sooner you get y/b in the air the better.the more flying you get into them the sooner they come on the roll.some of my yb are rolling fxcellent at 12 weeks,i fly them 2 times aday when possible .untill they are rolling then i knock them back to once a day.leave them too long & they become too strong& you will loose them.
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Missouri-Flyer
1444 posts
Mar 09, 2008
2:31 PM
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Welcome to the site J.Wanless,
Glad to see even some of the guys from across the pond agree with some of the things us U.S guys do.
Again, welcome.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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spinner jim
243 posts
Mar 09, 2008
3:23 PM
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Wayne ,i agree with most of your comment exept for the ridge bit,i dont allow my birds on any roof except the loft,its annoying to have birds sitting up there,they dont last long with me if they persist,jim.
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PR_rollers
659 posts
Mar 09, 2008
3:53 PM
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Welcome J.Wanless,I agree with you 100 % got to get them out early so the fly time is getting in them at a early start.my birds are out at 8 weeks old if they want to fly at 6 to 7 weeks old on their own fine with me but 8 weeks its the latest
they will start their training no if or buts and by the second or third day i have them kitting fine..getting to fly with good habits is done at the earliest time possible of their lives.. ----------
Ralph....
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sundance
519 posts
Mar 09, 2008
3:58 PM
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Hmmmm... I`m not so sure now that we do agree for the most part.Wayne is getting them on the roof and taking those first little flights before 12 weeks.
Mine will usually fly a week or so before any signs of kitting. And at 12 weeks they will kit and fly great. some are even showing sighs of the roll. Like a flip here an there. tailriding....etc.
Today I had birds in the air that are 9 to 10 weeks old and some are tailriding, and even seen an attempt at a roll out of a couple. IT WAS A GREAT DAY HERE !!!!
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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Missouri-Flyer
1454 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:16 PM
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I had my youngsters out today, like I do everyday. Today I noticed out of the 8 that were airborn, that all of them atleast were tailriding, 2 were doing a single flip, and 1 actually flipped 4 flips pretty fast, and they were kitting great.. Now these are birds that were born the week of Jan. 3rd, so that makes them 9 weeks..They usually fly for 5 to 10 minutes, and trap nicely.. And to think about getting birds out at 12 weeks?..Just makes no sense to me when all your doing is holding their performance factor back...But, to each is own.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:17 PM
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sippi
105 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:12 PM
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I agree 100% with Jerry. My birds in my first round are kitting like glue and all doing single and double flips. They were hatched the week of January 7. Makes them nine weeks old. They will be rolling pretty good by twelve weeks. I never allow a bird to sit anywhere but the kit box. I will chase him a few times and then he is gone if he continues. I start them trap training at four weeks and flying at five kitting at six. Mine are flying twenty to twenty five minutes. Of course I am retired so I fly every day except storms or high winds. I also start mine flying with Galati rollers which are the tightest kitting birds I have ever seen and will swoop down and pick up an out bird. If they wont kit then they are culls. The Galati's keep them up longer also so they get strong on the wing quickly. I do have to feed them more than the on spoonfull each though. I feed them all they will eat in twenty minutes unless they get to lounging on the roof and wont trap.
Sippi
Sippi
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 9:15 PM
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bigwilly
440 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:16 PM
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I agree with Thor. I never flag my birds I dont want them afraid of me. I just sit in the backyard and open up the door and they fly out on there own when they are ready.. Its all about your training method.
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W@yne
1182 posts
Mar 09, 2008
11:44 PM
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John
Like i said everyone has there own way of breaking youngsters this just works for me. Like i said i very rarely loose young when breaking them in.
The reason i dont get them up till around ten weeks old is that i want the youngsters to be able to avoid a sparrow hawk attack i lost fifteen one year trying to get my youngsters up flying at a younger age but the youngsters did not seem strong enough to out fly the dam thing.
At ten weeks old they seem to have more stamina power and a lot more wiser.
Yes i fly them twice a day they soon make up from lost flying time.
Like i said before if you guys get them up earlier good luck but this way works for the location that i live in.
Jim
Once my birds start to kit they only use the roof as a landing pole my house is in a cul de sac with houses back to back and side to side it is very awkward for a kit of birds to land direct onto my loft from flying. In the USA the guys over there have big gardens not like here in he UK and in an ideal world i would love the birds to land straight on the loft roof but it wont happen at my place.
Believe me Jim i can have a full kit in the loft in one minutes time from landing on the roof after the birds have been flown its all about how you control your birds and condition them using feed.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2008 11:28 AM
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c robbo
217 posts
Mar 10, 2008
2:28 AM
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why wood u wont young up and flying at 6 two 8 weeks old. you are tacking a big risk for ya birds to get lost. w@yne i dont lose meny young. comp is 7 month away. my young birds will be spot on in 7 month.
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