redchecker16
29 posts
Jan 21, 2008
2:52 PM
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Is there such a thing as Trigger Birds?If so,How many would you recommend in A kit of 20 for Competition?
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Flipmode
69 posts
Jan 21, 2008
5:25 PM
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Yes there are certain birds that seem to spark the kit into action. For a kit of 20 I would prefer all 20 if possible to be trigger birds! Good luck on putting that together.lol!
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redchecker16
32 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:56 PM
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Thanks Flipmode that would be nice 2 have all 20! your right what a Task!
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smoke747
572 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:58 PM
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exactly my thoughts flipmode.
smoke747
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Alohazona
385 posts
Jan 21, 2008
9:10 PM
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Redchecker,
In my opinion trigger bird/birds are vital to solid continuous breaking.I'm not exactly sold on a kit of them.One thing I consider is solid triggering ,come from front and center and not the back half of the kit.So trigger birds comming from front and center are worth their weight in GOLD.YES,a thousand times Yes,they are vital to activity and getting your heavyweights avalanche....Aloha,Todd
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smoke747
575 posts
Jan 21, 2008
9:24 PM
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todd, say you a triger bird/s in your kit and a hawk gets it or them, your kit should be able to recover as if nothing or little has happened. Now if you you are depending on those couple of birds and they are not there the results would be devistating.
smoke747
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CSRA
1173 posts
Jan 22, 2008
12:00 AM
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Flipmode right on good job
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Alohazona
386 posts
Jan 22, 2008
12:07 AM
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Smoke,
I have to admit,we don't have the the hawk problems the mainland guys are up against.I have witnessed a kit were an outstanding trigger bird rolled down and was killed.This was a futurity kit that was panel judged on three seperate occassions,the numbers dropped sharply after the incident.I was hoping to bid on that bird had it made it through to the end of the flys.I ended up buying my birds back that took second and third in that fly...Aloha,Todd
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Mount Airy Lofts
392 posts
Jan 22, 2008
5:11 AM
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I don't think any trigger birds will help my family. I am starting to believe my birds don't have it in them to break in huge numbers. Could just be the flier. This has cause me to evaluate my breeding program to stock only those that roll with the breaks.
Just a thought. I would take a lead bird over a trigger bird any day.
Thor
Need to focus more on concert performance....
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
390 posts
Jan 22, 2008
7:39 AM
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Redchecker, if you have or get a trigger bird, value him highly ,even if it a piece of crap or cull,keep it,, with out it your kit will hurt for breaks.
Last Edited by on Jan 22, 2008 7:40 AM
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Alohazona
387 posts
Jan 22, 2008
9:26 AM
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Thor,
You are right that a trigger bird/birds will not help every family or kit of birds.My henderson line kits tight like a ball real team players .This is the type of kit with proper conditioning that could benefit the trigger stimulous.
Thor, you are probably right that you need to go back to the breeding pen,maybe bringing in some outside blood.This what I was talking about on some other threads,not standing still.I have a kit that can do the big dumps,if and when I can condition them for it and the weather suits them,but not with any degree of consistancy.I have brought in some outside,yet related blood to help with that,we'll see.....Aloha,Todd
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Mount Airy Lofts
393 posts
Jan 22, 2008
2:36 PM
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Todd,
Well, it is a learning curve. You fly and then observe the crap out of them in the air. Replacing breeders as you go - inching your way up the ladder inch by inch.
Taking baby steps in building a stud of Rollers that will meet my needs in performance or come close to it.
Huge monster breaks are very impressive indeed. They seem to only happen at certain lofts time and time again. This has lead me to believe that there are certain traits that my family is lacking to accomplish this.
If all else fails, there is all ways the 11 bird fly :)
Only time will tell,
Thor
P.S. On the side note, the Ouellettes I am flying now if flown by their own would have no problem going all at once. It seems that Don's family has no problem breaking in huge number. Now if only my family can do the same I would be one happy camper.
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redchecker16
34 posts
Jan 22, 2008
2:51 PM
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Thanks fellas for your comments! redchecker16
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redchecker16
35 posts
Jan 22, 2008
3:08 PM
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Well fellas I asked because a buddy of mine keep my birds for me (moveing) well he decided to fly 3 with he's kit an these I guess were Trigger birds because they would set the team off! Well he ended up looseing them BOP!an the kit was never the same 4 as breaking but would break but not as much! by the way these were out of a blk/wht hen from Smoke747 Line.
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rollermanx0
203 posts
Jan 22, 2008
3:20 PM
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i wish i had trigger birds in my kit :-(
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rOLLerManx0
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redchecker16
37 posts
Jan 22, 2008
3:44 PM
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Rollermanxo you dont need trigger birds I've seen your kit on a fly be4 they roll/spin there_ off! Hey my buddy ED needs some info on a bird MC Dowell got from you some time back #124 red m/w spangle JerryHiggins band no year how was he made any info? he's a Loan bird thanks Redchecker16
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2473 posts
Feb 01, 2009
6:54 AM
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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wishiwon2
136 posts
Feb 01, 2009
3:18 PM
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I think there is sucha thing as "trigger birds" or "lead birds" I just dont think they can be created on purpose. I also think that those birds which influence or lead a team arent necessarily the most active etc. It requires close observation and some experimenting to identify a trigger. By holding a bird(s) out of the kit and observing the results. Same as a bird that turns the kit in circles, or pulls a team through a break, there is likely one or a couple that instigate breaks. You cant make a bird into a trigger but once identified, they help, and removal of one may have negative effects on your team.
Im with Keith, "Now if you you are depending on those couple of birds and they are not there the results would be devistating." You shouldnt select for or train a kit of birds to be dependant on a specific member. But they happen and shouldnt be overlooked when they do.
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
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PAUL R.
33 posts
Feb 03, 2009
11:03 PM
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It comes down to "Selection" . And if a person is not paying attention to the birds that roll from the back or cutting across on a turn and not replacing them, you may end up with bunch birds that dont peform as a team.
Paul R.
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spinningdemon
294 posts
Feb 04, 2009
7:00 AM
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Thanks for the comments guys a guy new to comp learns a lot from these good disscusions.
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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pigeon pete
105 posts
Feb 04, 2009
8:47 AM
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In my book a trigger bird is the one that rolls first on the breaks. It may just be a fraction of a second before the others. As they are setting up to break the trigger bird rolls from the front of the kit.
What we don't know is, if that bird didn't roll, would they have broke anyway? The only way to test is to remove the bird on a regular basis and see if the overall performance of the kit is affected, but bear in mind that a really good kit will not be too adversely affected by removing just one bird anyway.
We want birds that hold back from rolling until just the right moment and then roll with the kit. The bird that holds back until the right moment and then rolls, but happens to be at the back of the kit, so it doesn't set the others off is not neccesarily a fault. A roller that continually throws itself out of the back of the kit is a fault, but the bird described above is a bird with the right timing and the right frequency, but is in a kit that didn't want to break. Look to remove the ones that continually fly through the breaks to improve your kits performance. I've heard it said that front birds are the best, and birds rolling at the back of the kit are culls. Whoever said that didn't think about what they were saying very much. Put a kit of birds together that all want to fly at the front of the kit and what have you got? Racing pigeons!
They can't all fly at the front, any more than they can all fly at the back. I prefer birds that like the centre of the kit that go on the breaks.
These birds like kitting, they don't want to race around or turn the kit or hang out the back or the side. A kit of pigeons with this attitude will kit tightly, fly steadily and are more likely to break in big numbers.
Pete
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redchecker16
273 posts
Feb 04, 2009
9:56 AM
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Thanks fellas I just Learned alot of info, this is great info for new guys like me Thnks* redchecker16 aka Lamont.G
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speedball
172 posts
Feb 04, 2009
10:06 AM
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i like the word you use mate "trigger" birds. 6-7 of those spread around the kit can create a devastating illusion.
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