nicksiders
2508 posts
Jan 30, 2008
7:38 AM
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Competition prevents loft blindness and if you don't know what that is you can ask. It stimulates your interest in all aspects of properly managing your birds. Above all it promotes a close kinship with other breeders that would not have happen if there were no competitions. It pulls people to your backyard and into your home you would have never met if it wasn't for competition.
Would you play football without the competition on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and sometimes Thursday?
Nick
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CSRA
1274 posts
Jan 30, 2008
7:45 AM
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thats true nick goodlooking out
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bigwilly
291 posts
Jan 30, 2008
12:02 PM
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good point
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2116 posts
Jan 30, 2008
2:02 PM
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Hey Nick, hope all has been well with you and yours...
I agree, if a person has never had opportunity to see good birds outside of his own backyard, he might very well believe his are all they need to be.
As far as learning goes, the internet has collapsed the learning time frame from what was probably several years to less than 2. Just my opinion.
As for camaraderie, that can be established in a club made up of both competitors and backyard flyers. I have never been around roller breeders either at a show, fly or meeting where if not at least one but two or more who did not mind pontificating of the finer aspects of properly raising rollers.
Competition is ONE way of receiving feedback and giving feedback, but not the only way.
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Joe Dan
64 posts
Jan 30, 2008
6:19 PM
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Competition is important as hell. Winning is one of the best feelings and finest accomplishments that anyone can ever experience. Competition and trying to raise the bar is what anything related to performance is about!!!
The New England Patriots are one hell of a team... maybe the best team of all time? I am not a New England fan my any stretch... but the fact remains the same, there the best (up to this point). You know what makes that fact... and not feeling... they put up and laid it all out for every one to see... they have been judged against a bar that all other teams in their league are judged against...and won. They won against the best the sport has to offer. How do we know this... how do we know they are better than all other teams up to this point... this season... because their comppetition record reflects it.
You know what... there may be another group of (non-professional) players out there somewhere that can beat the New England Patriots but we will never know because they do not compete at the same level.
You know what else... it's highly doubtful that there is another team out there that could in fact beat New England (other than maybe the Giants). It is also very doubtful that there is any body out there flying rollers that can out perform the top competition flyers in this sport.
With all due respect, I will buy into this concept of "competition does not matter" when I hear a previous or current winner of the FF or WC make this statement.
JMO
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Joe Dan Parson
Full Turn Lofts
North Texas
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2121 posts
Jan 30, 2008
6:26 PM
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Hey Joe Dan, how's it going? I am not advocating that there be no competition or that is has no value. Obviously is has merit to those who use it as a barometer to judge their efforts.
Like I said in another post, I, as would most fanciers enjoy winning a world cup or fall fly. A win would be coveted and enjoyed for a very long time.
But until you win, are your birds any good? ;-)
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katyroller
117 posts
Jan 30, 2008
7:51 PM
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Alot of the points being expressed in this thread are very valid. What about the guy who joins a club and attends the flys but never competes? Is he not a true fancier because he chooses not to or is not able to compete? He is still educating himself as far as learning what to look for so he can improve his family of birds. By attending the flys and club functions he is adding to the camaraderie of the club. I personally fall into this category. With my work schedule it is nearly impossible for me to groom a kit for competition so I don't compete. I do support my club and do enjoy meeting with the other members when time permits. When my work allows it I will return to competing.
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Joe Dan
65 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:54 PM
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Scott,
I may be sending mixed signals... but I don't think so? There is a big difference in a "true fancier" and a "true competitor". I am by no means saying that there is anything wrong with a true fancier... hell that is probably closer to what I am too... My schedule is hell... I have to make a living too... and I am not able to focus as much on developing championship kits of performing rollers as I would like... it just doesent pay the bills LOL.
I am just saying that true competitors will make up the field that true champions come from. The whole concept that competitions are not important and are even detrimental to the development of the Birmingham Roller is what I do not agree with. There is a place in this hobby for all of us... and what ever catagory anyone falls into is OK by me. But those who are the best in this hobby prove they are the best by putting up the scores... not talking about it... and my goal is to one day be able to reach that status... I want to be able to compete respectably... with the best this hobby has.
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Joe Dan Parson
Full Turn Lofts
North Texas
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smoke747
705 posts
Jan 31, 2008
6:43 AM
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WHAT IS A BACKYARD FLYER? Last time I checked, I fly out of my backyard and so do many of you. there is no difference between them and the ones that do compete. Guess what, we all claim to have birmingham rollers. Some just don't compete, but fly every day and some have good flocks. They usually fly big flocks instead of kits.
smoke747
SMOKE747
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 2:04 PM
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COYOTE33
46 posts
Jan 31, 2008
7:23 AM
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this is very simple, some guys do and some guys don't ,that is compete. we just have to stop knocking one another
and enjoy one another. but if your going to talk then do something with your talk, but be careful of what you say. if you want to compete then do it if not enjoy your birds in your backyard, its nothing wrong with either one.
coyote
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Windjammer Loft
198 posts
Jan 31, 2008
8:03 AM
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It sure looks like this thread is going to get kicked to death. I've competed in many activities through out my life. But,with in this hobby their seems to be a LOT of animosity toward the fanciers that don't compete. At least thats the way it seems. Like its been said before,I don't think that in any way its GOOD for the hobby. My thoughts are because we are too spread apart. East coast,West coast, North,South and all inbetween. Its alright to Trash Talk amongst ourselves within our clubs. It seems to get out of hand when we Trash Talk guys outside of our club. To me thats where and when the problems arise. One cant't really back up his/her Talk that way. Plus their are some that don't have the tools and skills for proper communications. People have different styles of handling situations. Some people take offense to how one person may deal with a situation, being right or wrong, that the way it is. I think we need to just EASE up on each other,weather we COMPETE of NOT. Remember we are all in this HOBBY for one thing, and thats to ENJOY our birds however we so choose. Sorry for rambling on,thats just the way I see it. And whatever I said,was NOT meant to OFFEND any of you.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 8:12 AM
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bigwilly
302 posts
Jan 31, 2008
8:14 AM
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Great post Keith
Nick. Great post also
In fact, all of the post are great. Everyone has their own oppinion and that is not a bad thing
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rollerman132
235 posts
Jan 31, 2008
12:56 PM
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I get so tired of hearing those that skip down the yellow brick road of competition saying that it promotes camaraderie. Give me a brake, competition does and will always have its dark side. From those that will steal another man’s birds the night before his fly, to having him wake up and finding them all dead. I don’t fly in competition any more because of all the drama, politics and those that talk so much B.S that it smells like a septic tank. In competition you will all ways have those who want to win at any cost, so wake up and smell the coffee, if you haven’t all ready.
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smoke747
708 posts
Jan 31, 2008
2:13 PM
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Rollerman132, you are right but I had my birds stolen before I started competing. The BS is and always going to be around, especially if you are flying quality rollers.
smoke747
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 2:14 PM
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