George R.
86 posts
Jan 30, 2008
6:27 PM
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Can a person know what a Ideal Spinner is if he never gets out of his own backyard to see other kits and Birds Fly ??
If two people read a quote that was written years ago they would both get different impressions of what a Ideal Spinner is.
Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2008 6:30 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2123 posts
Jan 30, 2008
6:42 PM
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Hey George, no, I don't believe it is possible. Verbal descriptions remind me of those word problems in school, always had a tough time with them.
I am a visual kinda guy, got to see it to understand it.
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Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2008 6:43 PM
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wishiwon2
35 posts
Jan 30, 2008
6:45 PM
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No, you cannot have an accurate perspective of the ideal if only in your own yard. It is a moving target. As we gain more experience and observe more and better spinners our concept of "ideal" evolves. Our perspective of the ideal become more and more refined, it is never fixed. I do not believe anyone can know or understand what the ideal is or should be from reading a few lines written yrs ago. It is a perpetual work in progress.
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Snake Doctor
162 posts
Jan 30, 2008
7:51 PM
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I'm new to this and reading about it is hard to visualize just what is meant.
Kinda sounds like a testimony I heard one time.....
"I can't explain it but I know it when I see it!"
Hope someday to have the opportunity to see some really good rollers and have some roller pro comp or backyard tell me, "Looky there Boy! that is a super spinner!"
Having a blast, if this ain't real don't wake me up!
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"Semper Fi"
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DeepSpinLofts
257 posts
Jan 31, 2008
5:07 AM
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Now that's a very good question George.
I agree somewhat with Tony, in that it doesn't seem possible.
Why is that? Because of all the different types of families out there. You will miss a lot of action by just trotting around the backyard looking at your own birds
....however
My ideal Birmingham Roller pigeon must be capable of.... and rolling in the air approx. 25ft or more (which is the height of the average telephone pole we usually see). A good spinner in my opinion is one that is rolling on average at least once per minute. It might roll a bit more frequently if the kit is really working hard that day. So it's important to always keep a close eye on things.
NOTE: Over the years, I've discovered that attaining an incredibly high velocity on the spin is extremely tough and only through selective breeding & proper loft management.... and flying.... can this aerial feat be achieved. Our backyards are full of good performers that can and will roll frequently in the kit.
....but
The key in general is whether or not our birds genetically posses the athletic stamina required to fly in a competition?
GOLDEN RULE: The goal is to get 11-to-20 rollers with a high velocity of spin to perform together as a harmonius unit (team).
My definition of a high velocity spinner isn't necessarily judged by the speed a bird descends to mother earth from the kit, but by the dynamic magnitude of the birds spherical gyrations (the incredible speed a rolling pigeon whirls around in circular motions in the air) while tucked neatly in proper rolling form like a tennis ball.
Keep in mind that the faster a bird descends... the better.... and of course the greater the velocity on the spin is even greater.
For breeding purposes I would much rather prefer a good rolling pigeon that spins say about 15ft-25ft with lightning fast velocity, than say a roller that drops down 40ft in a clean smooth rolling pattern.... but is lacking the momentous velocity (lightning fast speed) comparable to that of a champion. A true champion Birmingham Roller pigeon is a very rare commodity to see in the air. If any of you possess a champion performer somewhere in the loft, then for heavens sake... "HOLD on to it"!
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 6:31 AM
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3757
548 posts
Jan 31, 2008
5:53 AM
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George - That is a great question and the answer is no. Bill Yurga in 1975 flew 7 pigeons to show me the difference between spin and roll. He had a red check hen that spun like a marble only 20 feet but perfect. The discription gives you an idea and a baseline but when you see a perfect high velocity spin you will be in love.
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