Mount Airy Lofts
432 posts
Feb 01, 2008
10:04 AM
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Found this while looking thru my Roller archives... thought it was worth showing. A line breeding chart
Enjoy,
Thor
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2134 posts
Feb 01, 2008
10:19 AM
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Hey Thor, EXCELLENT!
Being a visual guy, I see the pattern instantly. Divide the chart into 4 sections and you can see how pairs need to be put together to keep the line going or develop a new one!
Now the actual birds used for breeding are preferably flown out, but it doesn't hurt to inject one that you have picked from the nest here and there provided the offspring give you what you are breeding toward.
Newbies especially should study this chart to establish or maintain a strain of birds provided the results get you the results you are looking for.
Thanks for posting such a useful graphic!
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Oldfart
438 posts
Feb 01, 2008
10:26 AM
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Thanks Thor, This will be very useful in visualizing. I make my own but this is clearer.
Thom
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Oldfart
451 posts
Feb 03, 2008
9:34 AM
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Thor,or Tony,or anyone who might know. When the introduction of the new female occurs what becomes of the progeny from that mating? Will it be introduced into the origanal line or maintained as a seperate line? I'm unclear what happens in the 5th year with this side mating.
Thanks, Thom
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DeepSpinLofts
270 posts
Feb 03, 2008
11:13 AM
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Greetings on this Super Bowl Sunday Thor...
Hey, thats quite a cool chart you found there.
From what I can tell, the chart illustrates an algorithmic formula that's especially designed to construct a linebred family of birds.
What I find interesting is that in the 4th year of the breeding program the introduction of a female for new blood is advised in the chart.
QUESTION: Have you ever you utilized this particular system of breeding pigeons.... or do you know of someone who has?
Marcus
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Oldfart
452 posts
Feb 04, 2008
10:35 AM
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Just bring this forward hoping for an answer.
Thom
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Mount Airy Lofts
441 posts
Feb 04, 2008
10:44 AM
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Marcus,
I have not use this chart as a guide myself. The birds themselves do my selection for me. Line breeding is more of a tool I use to bring worth the quality I see in a certain line or bird.
I archived the chart because I can see how some one could use this chart to keep his birds his for the rest of his breeding career. Instead of using the 1,2,3,4 years as illustrated in the chart, one could substitute it for every 10 years.
On the out cross, every one keeps an out cross on hand one way or another. These are birds that are within the same family, just not from the same blood.
Thor
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Mount Airy Lofts
442 posts
Feb 04, 2008
10:45 AM
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I did not use this chart nor do I know of any. It is there in my files just in case I ever do wish.
Thor
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DeepSpinLofts
275 posts
Feb 04, 2008
6:26 PM
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I will try and use that breeding chart diagram someday.
Hmmm... maybe next year.
...and Thor
Thanks for the very informative breeding chart.
Marcus
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Scott Campbell
42 posts
Feb 04, 2008
6:35 PM
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You can't use such a chart, too many variables to consider, there are also other breeding theorys out there that suggest that the F1s don't get 50/50 of the parents, the common denominator being the sex on what gets what.
Interesting all the same though Thor, thanks
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Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 6:35 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2153 posts
Feb 05, 2008
6:20 AM
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Hey Scott, I disagree with you as to the usefulness of such a chart, variables notwithstanding. If it were only so easy! LOL
IMO, mixing and matching the best offspring in this manner from such pairings will tend to pack the gene-pool and produce more homozygous traits...good or bad, the caveat is that it is extremely important to select the best birds from these pairings that demonstrate the traits you desire to maintain or develop.
I think that the method demonstrated in this chart would be about as practical and useful as any other method that would have us breed best to best in an effort to develop a family of homozygous rollers.
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DeepSpinLofts
277 posts
Feb 05, 2008
6:55 AM
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I have to agree with Tony. The chart does have some scientific value (knowledge) in it. If the goal is to build a tight family of biogenetically related rolling pigeons through genetic engineering.... then the chart above looks like a fine plan to me.
Determining which stock birds have the desired micro-genetic structure (pre-potent) to produce potential pre-potent rollers.... undeniably requires a genetic fragmentation that needs testing through selective breeding practices. The chart is designed to give interested breeders some actual background on how to reason logically and intelligently with the modification & structure of good stock through genetic selection.
Remember folks, breeding rolling pigeons is more of a science than it is a hobby. It's the flying/competition aspect of things that makes this form of bird husbandry a magnificently marvelous hobby.
Marcus
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Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2008 7:05 AM
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Mount Airy Lofts
446 posts
Feb 05, 2008
9:36 AM
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Scott,
I hear what you are saying. Even Champs breeds culls :) What I got from the chart is actually some thing different.
To me, the chart is more useful in showing that one can breed close but keep it far enough as well. I believe this is call pretzel breeding (I maybe wrong here). In theory, you want to keep on reproducing what you originally produce in that first mating. Keep the line going for the rest of your entire pigeon career.
Of course, breeding Rollers isn't this easy... if it was, it wouldn't be any fun. I hope the chart isn't too confusing. I like it in theory when I first came upon it. That is why it was archived :)
Keep it real,
Thor
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Mount Airy Lofts
447 posts
Feb 05, 2008
9:44 AM
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Thom,
I maybe wrong here but I think the out cross is used to start up a new line. Hence "Side Mating".
Thor
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2008 9:46 AM
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Sandy91, SA Region 3
2 posts
Feb 05, 2008
9:51 AM
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Very nice looks alot like what I am doing..lol
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Oldfart
455 posts
Feb 05, 2008
1:42 PM
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Thor, thank you , that is what I thought but it is a little unclear.
Thom
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DeepSpinLofts
950 posts
Jul 02, 2008
12:33 PM
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re: Thor's Chart
It's a dandy!
Marcus
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rtwilliams
135 posts
Jul 02, 2008
12:51 PM
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A question for those in the know.
When you breed back to family "A". Is that a mother son pair, or just back to a hen in the same family, Son aunt type pair?
Another way to propose same question. Do you beed the F1 offspring back to mother or to aunt, or if F1 is a hen can you breed back to uncle?
Thanks
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RT Williams
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Big Block
33 posts
Feb 03, 2009
8:09 PM
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Bump, found this interesting.
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