elopez
554 posts
Feb 18, 2008
11:02 AM
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Marcus,
How is your bop issue? It would sure be nice to see what you see in the birds.
Laron,
As I've mentioned before, I'm sure both families can give you birds with velocity and style. Keith mentioned to me that nothing was wrong with the older bird in regards to the velocity and style, he said they were good.
For me if a bird does not have style it would not go into my loft. I can't stand a bird that doesn't roll right. If it's not too bad I'll continue to fly it in my kit but it will never get into my loft. I feel if you stock right with all the attributes considered you will get better results.
p.s. Keith is having computer issues so he hasn't been able to post.
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Efren Lopez
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elopez
555 posts
Feb 18, 2008
11:12 AM
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Marcus,
You would need to ask Keith that questions. Most of my birds are Smoke/Higgins. I did have a couple of original Smoke birds but passed away last year. They were a bit stronger, and came packed with style, speed and frequency. I think they were more on the individual category than the kit competition. Again Keith would best answer this questions but I don't think he has much of this split. I believe it's all one family now.
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Efren Lopez
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3757
635 posts
Feb 18, 2008
11:47 AM
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Efren - That is what I like about you! You are willing to learn from anyone that you can gain knowledge from and that is the way I started out as well. One key thing is do not be a follower but a leader and you are showing leadership right now. What I mean by this is do not ever accept it just because the majority is doing it that way. Keith is 100 percent correct and Keith knows what a spinner is and he is not going to give you caca la vaca! He is also not going to believe everything just because the so called Jefe says so ! I would say also that not everyone has the same focus in breeding rollers and that is evident in all of the different strains out there. Also, there is a lot of Plona background that is in some of the birds you and I have been discussing through karl Krebs and others but they try and keep that a secret also!.
Your Amigo
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elopez
556 posts
Feb 18, 2008
10:52 PM
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Thanks Laron, this is exactly how I am and this is what I try to teach my kids to be leaders not followers.
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Efren Lopez
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3757
637 posts
Feb 19, 2008
2:41 AM
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Efren - No problem. As you already know the truth will set you free!
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DeepSpinLofts
308 posts
Feb 19, 2008
3:23 AM
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Good morning George R.
NOTE: I sent you an email bro.
....and Efren
Haven't seen the BOP since Saturday. I think they are migrating south. So be careful!
Also Professor Doucet... thanks. As soon as I can get your email then we can discuss the birds.
Marcus
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George R.
205 posts
Feb 19, 2008
6:32 PM
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Marcus
I still haven't got home yet ,I will check my email when I get there .
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elopez
562 posts
Feb 19, 2008
6:35 PM
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Marcus,
Thanks for the 411. I should have listened... Lost 4 today to the bop'sssss. Holding down till next week.
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Efren Lopez
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3757
643 posts
Feb 20, 2008
4:06 AM
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Marcus - For clarification sake I do not have Higgins rollers. I wanted you to compare the Pensom birds to the ones George is sending you. I wanted you to see that mine will spin faster and harder than the pair you will receive.
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ICEMAN710
133 posts
Feb 20, 2008
5:41 AM
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damn marcus, you sure are getting hooked up, im very sure you wont be dissapointed, lucky man! My father is adament till the day he dies about hi velocity spinning and style in rollers. Hi velocity spinning, style, frequency, and depth is what he demanded and aquired out of his birds. I havent seen anything spin as fast in abundance as his birds till this day, mind you I havent been out in the past years seeing others kits fly, that will soon change this year. I will be out and about! Anyways keep us updated when the time comes.
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DeepSpinLofts
313 posts
Feb 20, 2008
7:40 AM
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Okay 3757...
I will take you up on those Pensoms offer. Thank you very much! I love hard spinners!
Yes indeed Gary... I agree with you 100%. If I can get my hands on those Pensoms & Higgins for the asking price, then by golly I am one lucky dude.
MEMO: Luck is when opportunity knocks and you answer.
Marcus
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3757
646 posts
Feb 20, 2008
9:19 AM
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Marcus - You let me know when you get the ones from George and I will send mine to you. Compare them both
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DeepSpinLofts
314 posts
Feb 20, 2008
9:32 AM
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Hey 3757...
Did you see my webpage? I know it looks sort of shabby due to the cheap camera that was used. It was my first attempt at putting birds on the Internet, but hopefully my next site should be a little bit better.
Enjoy your day...
Marcus
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Missouri-Flyer
1317 posts
Feb 20, 2008
9:42 AM
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3757 said:
Marcus - For clarification sake I do not have Higgins rollers. I wanted you to compare the Pensom birds to the ones George is sending you. I wanted you to see that mine will spin faster and harder than the pair you will receive.
Now that is a BOLD statement..Not sure how to take it tho. Is it a slam, or is it the truth?
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3757
647 posts
Feb 20, 2008
10:10 AM
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Jerry - That statement was to Marcus because Marcus sent me a private e-mail and thought I had Higgins stock. If you read all of the post you will see that George stated he would send him a pair to compare with the Pensom stock. I countered the offer and bet that the ones I will send will be faster. Marcus will fly both pairs of birds and make his judgment. How is that a slam? The statement that was made was that the old birds cannot hold a candle to the Pensom birds and I was the one who was slammed with the ignorant comment about the World Cup. So, I countered Georges offer. This is like a mini California classic between those two pairs of birds. May the best man win! So, this is not towards anyone else who has that family of birds at all. I respect Jerry greatly and have known him for years. People often misinterpret what I say. I hope this clears the record. Jerry - That statement was to Marcus because Marcus sent me a private e-mail and thought I had Higgins stock. If you read all of the post you will see that George stated he would send him a pair to compare with the Pensom stock. I countered the offer and bet that the ones I will send will be faster. Marcus will fly both pairs of birds and make his judgment. How is that a slam? The statement that was made was that the old birds cannot hold a candle to the Pensom birds and I was the one who was slammed with the ignorant comment about the World Cup. So, I countered Georges offer. This is like a mini California classic between those two pairs of birds. May the best man win! So, this is not towards anyone else who has that family of birds at all. I respect Jerry greatly and have known him for years. People often misinterpret what I say. I hope this clears the record.
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Missouri-Flyer
1318 posts
Feb 20, 2008
10:21 AM
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I did read the entire thread before posting. Yes I seen where he offered Marcus the birds, and thought it was kind of both of you guys to do that,, A SLAM?..maybe not, maybe just content in what you are offering him.
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3757
648 posts
Feb 20, 2008
11:10 AM
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Jerry - If I have offended you or anyone I am man enough to apoligize for that.
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Missouri-Flyer
1320 posts
Feb 20, 2008
11:19 AM
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Didnt offend me...Not the type of guy to take things to heart, hence being a police officer!
I should correct my post... What I meant was in a way a joke, saying that you telling George that the birds you send Marcus will be better than what George sends him.. I found that as a challenge in a way, and at the same time seen it as the confidence you have in your birds..Let me say to you, George, and Marcus, that my comments were not to reflect an image that I was making fun of, saying that one had better birds than the other, or that I was talking smack..That wasnt the case. Sorry if my comments were taken out of text.
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Jerry
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Missouri-Flyer
1321 posts
Feb 20, 2008
11:35 AM
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Hey Prof.,
email me when ya get a chance.. ropingfever@alltel.net
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Jerry
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elopez
569 posts
Feb 20, 2008
11:36 AM
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I think it would be a good challenge. Laron I would love to check out your birds in action. Maybe go to the flys...
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Efren Lopez
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3757
649 posts
Feb 20, 2008
11:47 AM
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Jerry - I like it when two individuals can come to an agreement without ill-feelings. It was a challenge to the birds that George sends Marcus and I am confident on the ones I will send. Jerry I will e-mail you.
Efron - I will call you about this. I know you are a flying man and I want to know will you fly a couple of youngsters? This has nothing to do with what I said to Marcus at all. I like your style Efron so let us talk off-line.
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elopez
570 posts
Feb 20, 2008
12:04 PM
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No problem Laron. I must worn you though, it's pretty tough in this neck of the woods...(bop) Paul Gomez gave me 4 youngsters, lost them all but 1. Good this it was the one I like most. Flying with my 2nd kit, it's starting to turn over so hopefully he'll be around long enough.
Give me a call when you get a chance...310-995-2971
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Efren Lopez
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George R.
213 posts
Feb 20, 2008
8:43 PM
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Laron
Just to clear things up I NEVER told Marcus that I would give him 2 Birds so he can compare them to anybodys Birds.
I told Marcus I would give him 2 Birds so he could find out what the Birds are about HIMSELF.
But since you issued the CHALLENGE I will accept .
If we can agree on one thing ,that Marcus will Fly the Birds and give us some progress Reports as he goes along with the training (FLY). and Marcus findings will be FINAL.
Also If I offended you with the World Cup comment I will edit the post, even though I still can find your post where you said you only FLY in the Individual Fly's.
Any way I look forward to our Mini California Classic as you called it.
Laron you have my phone number if there is anything you want to talk to me about give me a call.
George
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DeepSpinLofts
316 posts
Feb 21, 2008
2:07 AM
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Good morning George....
I will fly the birds when I get them. Just hope that they have never been out on the wing. It doesn't bother me if the squeakers have been trap trained, however, I'd prefer it if they never have been released to the air.
Wouldn't want to lose those precious babies!
MEMO: One is never more on trial than in the moment of excessive good fortune.
Talk to you later...
Marcus
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3757
652 posts
Feb 21, 2008
7:29 AM
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George - I was offended and Richard also because it did not sound like a compliment. Ezeedad posted the PRC 30 point system that our club uses and I have continuous discussed this rules and the SBRC and PRC individual fly's. I usually do not make this mistake but I took this as you wanted Marcus to see that your birds were better and I decided to send him two of mine based on that. I do not know Marcus and have no idea what he has but I think this challenge will be fun. All I ask is that he fly them for a least a year and may the best birds win. Maybe we can pick a newbie next time to help them out and see the differences in families.
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Missouri-Flyer
1322 posts
Feb 21, 2008
8:12 AM
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LaRon,
The idea that you brought up about sending a newbie a few birds from different lofts to help him out but yet compete against another loft is a great idea, BUT....
A serious newbie would be lost when it came to being able to identify quality in birds, therefore would be unable to compare the birds in a way that those of us who have been around would be able to do..Your idea is a great one, but in my opinion, it would not tell those that sent the birds much, unless the bird donor was close by, and was able to pop in often.
Just my thoughts, and nothing more.
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Jerry
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DeepSpinLofts
318 posts
Feb 21, 2008
8:23 AM
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George and Professor
Both of you men are very passionate and proud of your family of performing roller pigeons, which in itself is a very good thing. The things you have learned and experienced over the years with these incredible acrobats of the air must be passed down as knowledge to others in order to continue the sport.
...most important
I sincerely take your offers as an honorable compliment to the passionate time, passionate energy, sweat and labor you two have committed towards maintaining the unique qualities and high standards of true Birmingham Roller Pigeons.
MEMO: Without passion..., man is a mere latent force and possibility, like the flint which awaits the shock of the iron before it can give forth its spark.
Marcus
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3757
654 posts
Feb 21, 2008
10:24 AM
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Jerry - That is true but my thoughts were that they would at least be able to see good quality early on. Bill Yurga did this for me at a very young age and this helped me tremendously. He and others took a lot of time with me to show me what a good spinner was. I also think we were a lot more patient in those days.
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Missouri-Flyer
1325 posts
Feb 21, 2008
10:36 AM
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LaRon,
It was a great idea. As I statd, if the person donating the birds could and would stop by the newbies house on a regular basis to help guide him in the right direction, then it would be a great start. But if the newbie were given top notch birds, with no direction, then it would be the blind leading the blind...LOL
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Jerry
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DeepSpinLofts
321 posts
Feb 21, 2008
3:31 PM
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Now that makes a lot of sense Jerry!
>>>if the newbie were given top notch birds, with no direction, then it would be the blind leading the blind<<<
PLEASE NOTE: A man who can see clearly with a visionary plan (intellectual-awareness) will move forward with progress just as surely as the blind man who wisely utilizes the services of a trustworthy guide.
....however
It is quite often the same awareness for a person following an enlightened understanding of a master-plan through the directions of a intellectually gifted mentor.
Marcus
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George R.
214 posts
Feb 21, 2008
7:16 PM
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Jerry
I agree with you, Marcus please do not be offended in any way but if I would have known a CHALLENGE would arise out of me offering you some Birds I would not have made the offer.
The reason being that I would be more willing if I knew you you had COMPETED in the World Cup or Fall Fly prelims or Finals at one time or the other.
By no means does it mean your not qualified to fly Birds but
flying Birds takes a lot of WORK you have to be willing to sacrafice some other things in life if you want to Fly Birds Hard and have a shot at winning a MAJOR Fly.
I have learned from expierence that some Folks aint got the DESIRE to get up early every DAY even on thier Days off.
A person must have the TIME to put into the Birds to get the results there is no other WAY.
Also just because a person has Flown in the World Cup or Fall fly does not mean they are good trainers either.It just means they have the Time and DESIRE to COMPETE.
Just for the Record if you look back at all my post you will never see that I once said I have better birds then anyone.
Any ways a Challenge is a CHALLENGE so I will send you the Birds and sit back and wait for the results.
I will send you two squeeks of my best pair and I am confident that they will make you HAPPY.
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3757
661 posts
Feb 21, 2008
9:00 PM
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George - I have to agree with you on this one as I would not have offered either but I thought you were initiating this as a challenge. Since we both have agreed lets have fun with it and see how it turns out.
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birdman
493 posts
Feb 21, 2008
10:30 PM
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One thing for Marcus to consider is that each of those families of birds is probably going to have different feeding requirements and need to be managed accordingly. Otherwise there could be some casualties or fly aways.
Just thinking out loud.
Russ
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DeepSpinLofts
323 posts
Feb 22, 2008
3:27 AM
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George R and Professor LaDouce....
Good morning. My day has started. It's 3:27 a.m. (PST) and I'm headed out back right now to my barn to check on my flock. I'm that man that gets up very early in the morning (before dawn) in order to get the roosters to start crowing... he... he... he...
I have a special coat that I wear and it's loaded with bird poop from all the time I've spent cleaning my breeding pens, stock pens and kit boxes.
...no but serious
This has become a family affair for me. I work from my home.... so I'm with the birds most of the day and night. Not only that, I have family members nearby who raised roller pigeons with me when I was younger (during the 80's), and when I go out out of town they stay at my home to care of my flock and watch over my premises.
NOTE: Not many folks are so blessed as I am. As a matter of fact, when I walk around my home and then proceed outside to my property which sits on 2/3 of an acre lot.... I feel as though I've hit the lottery or something. I come from very humble begginings and moved up the socio-economic ladder by working hard to educate myself on how to live a better life.
Feeding, breeding, training and flying roller pigeons is in my blood. My grandfather who died in the 60's had pigeons on the same property where I later started raising roller pigeons during the 80's in Berkeley, California. My father who died in 1989 had rolling pigeons. And my stepdad who lives with my mom just 5 miles away also had rolling pigeons during the 1960's in Richmond, California.
So you see... I'll be okay!
Talk to you guys later....
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
344 posts
Feb 28, 2008
9:29 AM
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Hey Efren....
The BOP are migrating again. Counted about 5 predatory birds yesterday that are not from this Northern California area. They were all in a Eucalyptus tree about 50 yds from my backyard. Pulled out the binoculars and noticed the BOP were all immature (young birds without mates).
I also noticed flocks of various species of small birds by the thousands headed south toward Mexico. So it's not a coincidence that the young BOP were probably just instinctively following their prey.
They may hang around here for a day or 2... or until the redtails and crows run them off. Looked like either coopers or sharp-shinned from my binoculars.
...well anyway
I'm on lockdown for a few days until the coast is clear.
Remain cautious!
Marcus
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elopez
625 posts
Feb 28, 2008
9:51 AM
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Thanks for the info Marcus. I'm locked down. Lost too many yesterday. I'm waiting a few weeks before I let them out.
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DeepSpinLofts
351 posts
Feb 29, 2008
4:18 AM
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Good morning Efren....
After re-evaluating some things, there's a distinct possibility those were Juvenile Peregrines in the Eucalyptus tree yesterday. There's 2 of them stll hanging around. I heard their BOP calls and matched it to a recorded Peregrine call on the internet using my Windows Media Player.
I've done some investigative research and discovered the Peregrine Falcon is one of the most widespread birds in the world. It is found on all continents except Antarctica, and on many oceanic islands. The name "peregrine" means wanderer, and the Peregrine Falcon has one of the longest migrations of any North American bird. Tundra-nesting falcons winter in South America, and may move 25,000 km (15,500 miles) in a year! That's like going from Alaska to Brazil in one year I think.
NOTE: It appears the Peregrine Falcon is making a comeback. Populations crashed in 1950-1970 because of DDT poisoning and the Eastern population of Peregines were nearly exterminated. It was declared an Endangered Species, and extensive efforts were made to reestablish birds in the East, beginning with the work of Tom Cade in 1970 at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, which eventually developed into the Peregrine Fund. The species recovered enough to be removed from the Endangered Species List in 1999.
{P.S} Gotta get a move on here early in the a.m. on this Leap Year Day. There will be a big festivity at my home from 12 p.m. until 2 p.m. My wife has some co-workers dropping by for a grassroots awareness conference and I've been asked to cook my famous BBQ chicken drummetes. (Yummmmm)
Talk to you later....
Marcus
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elopez
630 posts
Feb 29, 2008
9:03 AM
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Sounds good. Are you going to make it to the show on Sunday? If you are bring down some of this famous bbq...
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
353 posts
Feb 29, 2008
12:19 PM
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What show Efren?
Marcus
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elopez
637 posts
Feb 29, 2008
12:28 PM
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Your kidding right? Only one of the bigest show in SoCal. The SoCal Benefit Show in Ontario, CA this Sunday. Check out the topic "SoCal Benefit Show".
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
354 posts
Feb 29, 2008
1:13 PM
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Wishing I could go Efren. There are prior family committments I've made to my niece and nephew.
One of these... and I do mean one of these days we'll hook up bro.
Marcus
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Hector Coya
2 posts
Feb 29, 2008
2:19 PM
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Hey Marcus
you missed last week's show and it was 1 hour away from you, come on buddy you have to make it to this one.last weeks show had a flashing add on the front page for a month .hope you can make it
Hector C
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Hector Coya
3 posts
Feb 29, 2008
5:27 PM
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Hey marcus
Dont worie,times will change and youl be doing good again,God bless you and i hope you get back on your feet.Hector Coya
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DeepSpinLofts
357 posts
Mar 02, 2008
5:45 AM
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Good morning Efren....
Talked to Darik on the phone and he said you were going to be at the So-Cal benefit.
QUESTION: Did you see him there?
Marcus
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elopez
646 posts
Mar 02, 2008
6:09 AM
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Marcus,
Getting Ready to head to the show. Are you talking about Derik McGhee?
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Efren Lopez
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Scott
134 posts
Mar 02, 2008
8:47 AM
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(The economy is headed towards a recession and if things don't get any better soon, you might see me on the side of the road with a hefty garbage bag collecting Aluminum Cans just to have some allowance (spending money)... he...he...he...
Seriously though Hector, my freakin bills are so high at the moment that I am tied to my home for a few months. Boy do I miss going out to the movies and eating at Sizzlers restaurants. Not any more! It's leftover beans, steamed rice and a pay per view movie at the crib)
Getting ready to head into recession ? buddy we are allready there and have been for a bit.
It is like the housing slump, those of of in the business felt it and knew about it a solid 8 months plus before anything was said or written about it in the media or the Gov. said anything.
I know what you mean about not spending the money that you used to,I'm the same as are many many others.
Luckily I've been here before and was somewhat prepared for it,the writing was on the wall showed what was to come at least two years ago.
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Just my Opinion
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DeepSpinLofts
359 posts
Mar 02, 2008
2:17 PM
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Efren.... yeah I am talking about him. San Bernandino area.
Hi Scott...
You're right. This is definitely some sort of recessionary economic downturn we are experiencing in the U.S. economy. Housing market is deteriorating and wages are going down for the average American.
...and
====> Gasoline at the pump headed to $4/gal.
Here's something I found rather interesting. Met a guy back in November '07 who was driving his daughter to school in a nice looking 97 BMW.The guy was rummagin through a garbage can at Raley's supermarket looking for Aluminum Cans. I don't know why... but I started a converstation with him. It was around 7 a.m. and after about 10 minutes of talking, he says to me; "excuse me, but I really gotta go and check on my daughter."
I said: "your daughter?"
He says: "Yes... she's over there in the car and I have to take her to school."
So I'm standing there scratchin my noggin and here's this fella in a nice car at 7 o'clock in the morning collecting cans out of trash-bins while his daughter waits in the car for a ride to school. He told me he collects the cans to pay for gas. Made dollars and sense to me!
.....well anyway
I'm used to seeing that grubby faced homeless guy with the grocery cart digging through garbage cans for recyclable Aluminum. However, when you see a well kept man driving around in a $9,000.00 used car to gas stations, shopping outlets and libraries to collect recyclable Aluminum, then you know times are getting rough!
Talk to you later...
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
361 posts
Mar 04, 2008
5:20 PM
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Efren....
Were there any 1220 bloodline of birds at the So-cal benefit?
Marcus
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elopez
675 posts
Mar 04, 2008
7:16 PM
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Hey Marcus,
Derik said what up! I remember one that Hector Coya donated out of his red headed hen line (bob scott) not sure if it had any 1220 in it. they got into a bidding war for that one.
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
362 posts
Mar 05, 2008
5:45 PM
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Efren.... tell D everything is cool homeboy.
..so
How is D doing out there in San Bernandino anyway?
Marcus
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