elopez
702 posts
Mar 05, 2008
5:54 PM
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He said he's cool. He's registered on here, but for some reason is shy of posting...lol.
I told him one you start you can't stop...lol
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
371 posts
Mar 08, 2008
5:26 AM
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Efren... you flying birds today?
Marcus
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elopez
740 posts
Mar 08, 2008
7:03 AM
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don't think so. bops still pretty bad in my area. My brother Dave flew yesterday and lost 2. I might try tomorrow.
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
372 posts
Mar 08, 2008
8:23 AM
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I'm headed to the store with my wife. Thinking about flying after lunch time.
Marcus
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elopez
874 posts
Mar 28, 2008
12:42 AM
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Hey Marcus,
Have you recieved the birds from LaRon and George? Post some pics of them. Keep us updated.
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
468 posts
Mar 28, 2008
4:12 AM
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Good morning Efren....
None of those rolling pigeons from LaRon or George has been received by me as of yet. Tell you what, when I actually get my hands on those birds I'll be sure to post them on here.
George had said something about my $$$$$$$ situation... so he wants to put the roller deal on hold for now.
Might call Smokey this weekend. Disccuss that high velocity heat situation with him.
Marcus
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elopez
1139 posts
Apr 25, 2008
12:33 PM
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Hey Marcus,
Just wanted to see you have any update or if you recieved the birds.
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
631 posts
Apr 25, 2008
1:44 PM
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No birds yet Efren. Hope they don't try and fake on me. I just might have to roll out there and pick'em up personally.
Marcus
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elopez
1140 posts
Apr 25, 2008
1:49 PM
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Hopefully you still get them so you can fly them and keep us updated on the performance of the Ruiz and the Doucet line.
Spanky is flying some bird off of or from Laron and at least from the kit he flew for me that dun self was the one I personally liked the most from that kit. Spanky told me it was still a very young one so I hope it gets deeper as it was only doing around 5' but with a real nice roll.
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Efren Lopez
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PR_rollers
956 posts
Apr 25, 2008
1:55 PM
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oh oh the Godfather on the loose watch out lol...Marcus that was fuuny...you going to find a pigeon head on your bed if you fake Marcus..lol
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Ralph....
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elopez
1141 posts
Apr 25, 2008
2:11 PM
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LOL. You mean Marcus "The Bird Man" Freeman.
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Efren Lopez
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PR_rollers
960 posts
Apr 25, 2008
2:21 PM
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Yeah that's it Efren....
---------- How you doing buddy.I try to call you last night but the phone lines were going krazy here.everything kool..
Ralph....
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3757
721 posts
Apr 25, 2008
3:55 PM
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Marcus - I think it is fair for you to pay the shipping and think that is what George is referring to. Send your shipping money to me and the birds are off.
Doucetenterprises
541 n main street 104-193
corona california 92880
Efren - Thanks for the compliment on the bird off of mine that my carnal Spanky is flying. It should get depper with time. How old is it?
Last Edited by on Apr 25, 2008 3:57 PM
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elopez
1144 posts
Apr 25, 2008
5:23 PM
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I believe he said around 5 months. Most at the fly like the deeper black w/f but his style was in my opinion no match for the shorter dun. I told Spanky that the dun was the best bird in that kit he flew, he then told me that it was a bird that he got from you or out of your line. So in no way was I picking favorites or had higher expectations for the birds he had. Hopefully I'll get to see how he turns out once he gets deeper. As of now he is showing promise.
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
632 posts
Apr 25, 2008
7:22 PM
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Sounds like Spanky is flying Professor LaDouce rollers with a respectable amount of success. Duns are a favorite of mines because they have been known to chop it up in the sky.
....well anyway
I can't wait to get my hands on some of those LaDouce birds. From what I hear.... they are great to train and fly.
Marcus
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3757
724 posts
Apr 26, 2008
6:30 AM
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Marcus - Your offer has been sent via e-mail. Also, my name is not LaDouce it is as you wrote it on the e-mail.
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DeepSpinLofts
640 posts
Apr 26, 2008
7:56 AM
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Oooops... excuse me 3757. Please allow me the undeniable privilege of apologizing for misappropriately spelling your name.
It was merely a grammatical error.
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
654 posts
Apr 28, 2008
3:19 AM
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Let's jump back to the rising gas price situation agan. When I first bought my car in 2003 it cost roughly twenty something dollars for a half a tank of gas. And this was unleaded supreme.
....however
Yesterday I put in straight unleaded gasoline at the pump and it cost me close to fifty dollars for a half a tank of gas.
My GAWD!
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
718 posts
May 08, 2008
2:23 AM
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Hey Efren...
Those 1220 birds are good spinners but I hear that the 0016 line spins just as good... if not better.
Any thoughts?
Marcus
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3757
730 posts
May 08, 2008
3:56 AM
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Marcus - it is mute points because no one will agree do to the subjectiveness of the sport. Some guys prefer a 20' shrinker that spins every 1-2 minutes; some want birds to perform in unison, depth etc. Some believe in the beliefs of the old timers, some believe in this or that. You will never get anyone to agree and you cannot judge 1220 on some bird today that is 4-10 generations away from 1220. Some people say they have a kit of all champions and that may be true to them but not to someone else. There is no way to compare 1220 to pigeons today. I feel 059 ans 9393 are the best two pigeons that I have seen produce in a lifetime but this is based on my experience. It is like comparing Rickson Gracie to Bruce Lee (We will never know!)
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luis
952 posts
May 08, 2008
9:44 AM
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Good post laRon,i agree 100% !!
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elopez
1275 posts
May 08, 2008
11:08 AM
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Marcus,
Laron is right you can't compare 1220 5 generations down to 0016 offspring. However, you can ask the man who had both 1220 and 0016 in his loft as to which bird is better in his opinion. From what I was told by Jerry Higgins is that 0016 is a much better bird all around than 1220.
Keith had some 1220 and he did say that they were very good but he also made this statement: "I never received over 1100 point with that line"
Abel also had the 1220 family and again said that they were very good birds but he also made this statement: "0016 produces on every hen he is on"
So in summarizing what I've learned, both families produce very good spinning rollers. Now it's up to the manager/breeder to get them to the next level.
Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
722 posts
May 08, 2008
3:27 PM
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Thanks fellas for the 1220 -vs- 0016 debate feedback.
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
736 posts
May 14, 2008
1:51 PM
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Hi Efren.... which one or do both birds have any 1220 or 0016 blood behind them?
I'm referring to 1094 x weapon hen.
Holla.....
Marcus
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elopez
1352 posts
May 14, 2008
4:08 PM
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Marcus,
No 1220 in them. Weapon hen is off of 0003 who is full brother to 0016. 1094 is Great grand son to 0016. So far 1094 and the weapon hen have produced on every mate they've been on. Should be some serious fire.
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Efren Lopez
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DeepSpinLofts
737 posts
May 14, 2008
5:54 PM
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re: Some serious fire.
Yeah!!! That's what I want!!
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
811 posts
May 28, 2008
4:20 AM
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Good morning Efren....
I wanted to ask you something. I noticed there are some threads on Roller Pigeon Dot.com regarding Eddie Verdugo's Blacks and his Yellows.
Just wondering do you know anything about Eddies Yellows and Blacks??
....if so
Are they related to #1220 or the weapon hen which is off of #0003 (the full brother to #0016)???
...also
Is it possible that Eddie's yellows and blacks are related to #1094 which is the great grand son to #0016???
NOTE: This query is all part of my biogenetic research on different Birmingham Roller Pigeon families.
Thanx in advance!
Marcus
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Last Edited by on May 28, 2008 6:49 PM
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warpspeed
43 posts
May 28, 2008
1:37 PM
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as i have heard pensom brought over yellows??? so im sure 1220 or his offspring at one point or another have produced yellows
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elopez
1417 posts
May 28, 2008
2:14 PM
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Marcus,
I don't know what Eddie breeds. Gabe would know. I don't think it's the same family as the 0016. Not sure if he breeds 1220?
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Efren Lopez
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http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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3757
757 posts
May 28, 2008
2:14 PM
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Warspeed - Many individuals come up with conclusions with no data. How can one come up with that conclusion and what data does one have to come up with that conclusion? 1220 does not and has never produced a yellow. There is a lot of hearsay but 99 percent is just that (Hearsay). Where are the yellows in Bob Scotts records of the birds off of 1220, Bill'S records etc. No offense but Bill Pensom had many breeds of pigeons. If one has homers and rollers does that suggest that their birds are crossed? Of course not! I had birds off of 1220 from Bob Scott, Willie Wright, John Isabel, Charles Robinson, Saldana had 1220 himself, Higgins used 1220 and John McDougal had the parents and there are no yellows in that family.
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Hector Coya
144 posts
May 28, 2008
4:01 PM
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I have alot of 1220 in my family,from Bob Scott,the only yellows i have are from my good friend Henry Ramos.
Bob never had a yellow that a know of,and if he ever did i dont think it came out of 1220.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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DeepSpinLofts
812 posts
May 28, 2008
6:50 PM
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Thanks fellas!
Marcus
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mrartg
36 posts
May 28, 2008
9:27 PM
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Its awsome to learn a little history behind birds that are legends in the birmingham roller world. Thanks for the knowledge you guys share on these birds.
Art Gaona
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DeepSpinLofts
813 posts
May 29, 2008
3:48 AM
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I agree with you 100% Art.
Yes indeed it's awesome to learn a little history behind birds that are legends in this sport/hobby.
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.... for its true that wisdom is acquired by an inquiring mind.
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
816 posts
May 29, 2008
2:21 PM
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Hi Hector....
When you have the time, can you please post some photos of those yellows from your good friend Henry Ramos.
Thanx in advance...
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
820 posts
Jun 01, 2008
4:39 AM
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Good morning Efren...
QUESTION: Are the Jerry Higgins, 514 line and Norm Reed family of birds similar in performance style, body-type, character and expression?
The reason why I ask is because I'm logging all of this stuff into my data banks for future reference.
You know what they say:
=====> "Knowledge is Power"!
Marcus
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ICEMAN710
364 posts
Jun 03, 2008
4:01 AM
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good morning marcus, how are the birds? you should really try checking out flyers who work with those families, im sure there are many in your area, that way youll really get a good idea of how they perform. best of luck!
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DeepSpinLofts
829 posts
Jun 03, 2008
4:50 AM
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Good morning Gary.... it's great to hear from you.
The birds are doing just fine. My brother drove up yesterday from San Leandro and I flew a kit for him. He was so impressed, that he took pictures on his cell phone of my birds, their lofts and kit boxes then texted them to his brother in law that also flys rollers in Richmond, California.
....well anyway
I still have a long way to go before I can seriously get the job done like Don Oullette, Keith London, Jerry Higgins and Heine Bjiker of the Netherlands.
Hey Gary... let's jump back to the rising gas price situation in our nation. I bought my vehicle back in 2003 and it cost me a little over twenty U.$. dollars for unleaded supreme to fill it up.
....however
Last week I put in straight unleaded gasoline at the pump and it cost me close to fifty five dollars for a shade above a half a tank of gas. Geeeezuz....
QUESTION: What are you paying for a gallon of gasoline where you live?
Marcus
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ICEMAN710
367 posts
Jun 03, 2008
5:36 AM
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hey marcus, oh it hurts to even think about. Right now im paying $4.23 a gallon for 89 regular grade, and it keeps on rising every couple of days. Im lucky thats all my vehicle requires because of its retard timing. I drive a 08 toyota tacoma crew cab btw. Last I paid was 4.19 over the weekend and paid right around 74.50 for a tank. Will it ever end??!
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Gary
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DeepSpinLofts
987 posts
Jul 21, 2008
12:56 AM
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Hi Gary if you're out there lurking.
Good news! Price of gas at the pump has dropped over a nickel a gallon for me.
Filled up the tank yesterday. I feel that gas prices are still rather high though if you were to ask me.
QUESTION: How are the fuel prices looking in your neck of the woods?
Marcus
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ICEMAN710
432 posts
Jul 21, 2008
2:49 AM
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Hey Marcus! thanks for the update, ive noticed a slight..yes slight, very slight decline in the prices as well. I paid 4.39 a gallon for 87 over the weekend. Ive got to fuel up tomorrow as it was a busy weekend. I hate all the driving but its something I cant do without.
Its funny how exited we get when the price drops but the big picture is, its still super expensive from what it was just last year or a couple of years ago...its very sad.
How are the birds doing?
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Gary
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DeepSpinLofts
990 posts
Jul 21, 2008
5:33 AM
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Good morning Gary...
Birds doing okay and it's good to hear that you are saving a few pennies at the pump too.
I'm going to read up on some Monty Neible writings just as soon as I can figure out where I hid the file to his article in my documents. It might take me a little while to locate the Neible writings after I fiddle around with my mouse and click on a few things. Then it should pop up.
The truth of the matter is that I need an educational refresher so I don't lose my focus here @ "Deep Spin Lofts".
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.... for its true that wisdom is acquired by an inquiring mind.
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RadsickLofts
1 post
Jul 21, 2008
8:03 AM
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I need help locating one of the VHS tapes that was made of Bill Pensom's 8mm Home Movies.... Bill's grand-daughter no longer has any.... Any help appreciated.
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DeepSpinLofts
991 posts
Jul 21, 2008
9:44 AM
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You want VHS or DVD?
I think Tony C might know a little into those Pensom films.
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
998 posts
Jul 27, 2008
5:18 PM
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Was there any other Pensom bred birds owned by Bob Scott other than the Blucheck/White Flights NBRC-1968 #1220 which was bred by Pensom?
Marcus
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Last Edited by on Jul 27, 2008 5:18 PM
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3757
829 posts
Jul 27, 2008
6:00 PM
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Marcus - He owned a lot of Penosm bred birds, Smith and Plona bred also. Just to name of few NBRC-67-2509 (Pensom) NBRC-65-2761 (Plona) NBRC 64 3807 (Smith) and the list goes on and on.
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DeepSpinLofts
1002 posts
Aug 17, 2008
1:01 PM
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I apologize for a rather late response... but I've been just too busy and hadn't any time for chit-chat on the Internet.
LaRon you have named in the past some great roller men's names that I am familiar with.
...however
What I would like to know from you is where does the McCully and Hilton family of birds fit into the Pensom equation regarding the Plona and Smith families?
Marcus
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Last Edited by on Aug 17, 2008 1:01 PM
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3757
864 posts
Aug 17, 2008
1:56 PM
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McCully started getting birds from Smith in 1940's and owned many when he died in 1975 besides the last of Pensom breeders that he owned. He did not have any Plona pigeons.
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DeepSpinLofts
1003 posts
Aug 17, 2008
4:37 PM
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Thanks a lot LaRon... I truly appreciate it.
You are like an encyclopedia when it comes to Birmingham Roller pigeons and their brief history in the United Sates.
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.... for its true that wisdom is acquired by an inquiring mind.
Marcus
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Last Edited by on Aug 17, 2008 4:38 PM
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TimP
39 posts
Aug 18, 2008
8:43 PM
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3757, You know any history about the Dan McKenzie birds?
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